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  What are the best Bible Translations?

  by Londo111 in

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  2. bible

  growing up in a jw family, my parents and my grandparents had many versions of the bible...not just the new world translation.

  sometimes i read these.

  but i always bought the hype that the new world translation was the most unbiased and most consistent in rendering hebrew and greek into the modern language.

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  wobble

  Spot on Cyberjesus ! all we have is some 3rd Century and later manuscripts that are copies of copies of copies ,and some of those are translations too !

  We have no way of knowing what the original writers put down for sure, and even if we did have autograph copies, we would have to take in to account the writers agenda, his motive, when it was written etc etc . The latter we can do a lot of, just as an example, many scholars feel the "Matthew" was written , at the earliest around the late 80's or 90CE, so, why write as though it is before the Temple destruction ? (Agenda/motive)

  Study of the Bible is fascinating, as is study of many ancient texts, see Leolaia's excellent posts on this over the years, but however clearly one comes to understand the writings we do have,( and the modern translators own theology may get in the way see the very poor NWT !) we can never claim that we have a text that is reliable enough to argue about every "jot and tittle" , and certainly to be dogmatic on any point of doctrine based on such poor source material is to make oneself look very silly.
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  Victoria, Australia: Brief Update - Steven Unthank is still Acting Prosecutor, etc.

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  court hearing results for december 6, 2011:.

  steven unthank is still the acting prosecutor (and that's why he could not comment on the case on the"dialogue" program), and all 5 cases are still before the courts.

  the crown informed the court that the office of public prosecutions are "acting as a facilitator at the moment"; and that the police investigation is "quite well progressed"; and that the police are awaiting response from the department of justice.. .

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  wobble

  Thanks for the info to all above, much appreciated.

  To SMIDDY, I agree 100% that all JW's should be CRB checked, as we call it in the U.K, O.K it is not a fool-proof or paedophile proof system, but it would offer some protection to the children of the public, as well as JW children.

  The fact that the JW's claim that all baptised JW's, including the female JW's, are " ordained ministers" should be sufficient to make it necessary I would have thought, for all to be checked. (?)

  It is necessary, very necessary, I can think of one individual who is a danger to any child, who is not an Elder or anything, but still goes from door to door here in the U.K, a check may well stop him.
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  Have any other religion flip-flopped doctrinally?

  by stillstuckcruz in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am attempting to see if a comparison can be made to other religions.

  obviously we all know that jw's have fip-flopped on many doctrinal issues.

  but are there any other religions and cults that have done this?

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  wobble

  The really difficult question for the religions to answer who claim a sole handle on "The Truth", as do Mormons, and of course the WT/JW brand, is :

  "When did "the truth" (the brand or religion) become the "Truth" ?

  When they were teaching error, it could not have been "The Truth" , so the subsequent question "How can you be sure it is now ?" is a bit of aposer for 'em !
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  Recent C.O. visit: Bad news re: U.S. English meeting attendance

  by Open mind in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  visiting a nearby town during his thursday night service talk mentioned how poor meeting attendance is in the english-speaking u.s. congregations.

  he said that when the gb reduced the weekly meetings from 3 to 2, there was a brief surge in meeting attendance percentages.

  after a few months it began to slide and it hasn't stopped sliding.

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  wobble

  I worked out years ago when I was in, that at any one meeting 25% of the publishers were missing,in our Cong. if things have got worse, my old K.H must look pretty empty most meetings !
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  Recent C.O. visit: Bad news re: U.S. English meeting attendance

  by Open mind in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  visiting a nearby town during his thursday night service talk mentioned how poor meeting attendance is in the english-speaking u.s. congregations.

  he said that when the gb reduced the weekly meetings from 3 to 2, there was a brief surge in meeting attendance percentages.

  after a few months it began to slide and it hasn't stopped sliding.

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  Sorry about the blank post, fat finger, I wanted to say, Mad Sweeney , that the Booker prize winner is a better work of fiction to read than the WWReport !
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  Recent C.O. visit: Bad news re: U.S. English meeting attendance

  by Open mind in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  visiting a nearby town during his thursday night service talk mentioned how poor meeting attendance is in the english-speaking u.s. congregations.

  he said that when the gb reduced the weekly meetings from 3 to 2, there was a brief surge in meeting attendance percentages.

  after a few months it began to slide and it hasn't stopped sliding.

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  Why No One Should Judge You For Celebrating Holidays

  by lilbluekitty in

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  2. bible

  "therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a new moon celebration or a sabbath day.

  " colossians 2:16 niv (in some other translations, religious festival is translated holiday or holy day) .

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  Yes, but the "Flock" book is greater than the Bible, so Elders WILL judge you.
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  Lurkers - can the "increasing light" excuse cover TERRIBLE non-scripturally based advice?

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this thread is directed at those of you who are "lurking".

  perhaps you visit this website frequently because you know something is wrong with the watch tower society, but you don't feel you know enough yet to form a solid opinion.. as you are aware, the society regularly uses the "increasing light" concept to excuse any scriptural advice or prophetic understanding that is subsequently reversed or changed.

  put simply, the governing body would have us believe that god's holy spirit, which is guiding the organization, is deliberately feeding false scriptural information to the society as a "makeweight" until true understanding is revealed at a later stage (at this point, i would add that none of the scriptures quoted by the society in support of "increasing light" suggest that god's holy spirit would act in such a manner, but this is for you to discover for yourselves).. with all of the above in mind, please may i draw your attention to this advice, which was printed in the august 5th, 1979 awake!:.

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  wobble

  BTTT
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  Journal of Philosophical Psychology cites JWs as an example of a self-validating belief system

  by slimboyfat in

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  2. beliefs

  a recent article in the journal of philosophical psychology titled: 'how convenient!

  the epistemic rationale of self-validating belief systems' by maarten boudry says that one of the defense mechanisms of self-validating belief systems is "multiple endpoints and moving targets" and cites jws to illustrate the point.

  here are the sections that discuss jws:.

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  wobble

  Thanks for posting Slimboy, I wanted to check one or two of the references , just for fun, but I do not have Uni. of Glasgow log-in, so was unable to do so.

  I guess I'll just have to learn to be a fried Mars-bar eating Student so I can access the stuff !

  I do admire how the academic mind is able to be so incisive, and see through what we could not, when we were " in the bubble ".
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  Biblical timeline vs Secular timeline

  by poopsiecakes in

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  2. friends

  i came across this on another discussion board and thought i'd share .

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  wobble

  Thanks , dear 'cakes, the Jw's have a real problem with this, they have two choices, either try and deny all the "secular" evidence and go with the Bible as literal history, or say that the Bible is not literal, and then nearly all of their doctrine falls apart.

  What to do for the average JDub and the Writing Comm/GB ? Ignore, as usual.

  Ignore the Truth.