well i think what worries them the most is that more and more witnesses are becoming free thinkers and that is troubling them, it worries them that thinking freely will cause them to seek answers elsewhere and that is the last thing the gb wants.
they have pulled the reins so tight now how much tighter can they pull before many witnesss crack under their yokes.
what is your thoughts on this matter.. .
The GB run a money making religious scam that is a Ponzi scheme, what worries them is less $$$ rolling in.
They have huge loss of revenue as Internet enabled people leave, their response is to urge more work in recruiting by the unpaid R&F, which ain't working too well in the educated by Internet world.
It is only the threat to their rock-star lifestyle through diminished revenue that worries them.
i had to do it- i gave my asleep jw friend a flash drive yesterday with ray's books, info on 607 vs 587, etc.
he knows i have "doubts" and that i've read these books but he has been cool about it and had already said he wouldn't rat me out.. so i figured i would take the next step now and give him the knowledge and see if he looks into it.
this is a lot more tangible evidence and if it fell into the wrong hands they would have plenty of evidence to try and df me but i don't worry any longer, they're only men.. keep your fingers crossed lol....
I hope you do not experience what I did, I foolishly trusted an old friend who was a MS who promised not to rat me out, but he spoke of the fact that I had given him some material and was overheard by the P.O/COBOE who promptly initiated a two Elder visit on me.
I managed very well, with excellent advice from the fine people of JWN to talk my way out of it, I have not had a visit since. It can be dodgy though, but you sound as if you feel as I do, if they nail me, so what ? DF me ? I don't fellowship anyway, and never will, so DF away suckers !
I don't particularly want to be DF'd or DA'd, 'coz I get to talk to Dubs sometimes and plant a seed, but if it happens, it won't faze me.
with thanks to stephen fry for pointing this site out on twitter http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=main_page.
iron chariots is intended to provide information on apologetics and counter-apologetics.
we'll be collecting common arguments and providing responses, information and resources to help counter the glut of misinformation and poor arguments which masquerade as evidence for religious claims.. the complexity of issues surrounding religion ensures that any proper assessment requires us to delve into a number of philosophical, historical and sociological topics.
Yep, poor old Yahweh/Jehovah wasn't up to speed with modern technology, he had no answer to Iron Chariots at the time, Almighty God ? LMAO
It's the same with his Organization today, not up to speed, no answer to the Internet
Thanks for posting Mickey,the Iron Chariots site looks like a valuable resource, there are so many piss-poor arguments out there that need to get shot down, plus it has the positive side of presenting good arguments.
i remerber the closing pray of a co, we are a theatrical.
spectacle on the stage of mankind.
as representatives of the wt., our conduct will be watch.
I have it on good authority (the ghost of Freddie Franz) that they have mistranslated it "theatrical spectacle", Freddie tells me it should read "Laughingstock"
this has been asked before, however i thought it may be good for newer members of the board to read some of our reasons on how we decided to exit the jw cult and why we decided to do it the way we did.. first off - i have been faded for almost 8 years.
essentially i decided to fade into inactivity and not da because i have elderly jw parents who would shun me if i did get dfed or daed myself.
also- i like keeping open the possibilities that some of my many jw relatives may in time start doubting and have questions and reach out to me in my inactive state.
We just stopped going to the KH in spring 2008, I intended to fade, but couldn't face going to one more meeting ,ever.
We were both inactive at the time, but as we both had parents who were jw's and in their late eighties, we decided not to DA or get DF'd, this has meant biting my tongue sometimes,but now we are off the radar, our last shepherding visit was three years ago.
They have no power over me, I no longer care if they DF me, so say what I like now, I would not DA as they have no right to my respect.
I am becoming an Ex XJW . Just regular Joe, a member of the public, one who is not interested in joining any religion.
acts 8 29-31: 29 the spirit told philip, go to that chariot and stay near it.. 30 then philip ran up to the chariot and heard the man reading isaiah the prophet.
do you understand what you are reading?
philip asked.. 31 how can i, he said, unless someone explains it to me?
The WT insisted the term "Eunuch" was indicative of his office in the Queen's administration, not the number of testicles he had. but this may well be another WT definition of a word.
As Doug says above, if we view it in the light of a struggling new cult trying to overcome the death of their leader, then we can see the thinking behind this little story, it suggests that only those who have the HS can direct you to the true understanding of scripture and its prophecies, especially as an open minded reading would not lead you to Jesus of Nazareth.
This is why this story is beloved by the WT, each JW subliminally tells themselves that only the modern day Phillip, the GB, can expound the scriptures correctly, especially as an open minded reading of them would not lead you to the WT.
i just watched the new dvd.
i thought it was quite poor, even compared to the last one.
is this the last dvd in the series or is there another one to come?.
Thanks for posting SBF, even as an active JW I would not have bothered to watch such a thing ,I am old enough to remember the pathetic films they produced in the 1950's .
I always felt that it would not be a good idea to show this kind of thing to an " interested person" as they do illustrate how parochial is the outlook of the WT.
Funny, I always felt too that these kind of productions were talking about a world that I was not really part of, I guess deep down I never was a JW, I was just born in to the Borg, never fully assimillated, thankfully.
full credit to stand firm for re-emerging after disappearing.
he is to be commended for keeping the same moniker and not attempting to pass himself off as a newbie.
although, unlike some jw apologists here, he may not have realized he could assume a new moniker and pretend to be someone new.
Poking fun at JW Apologists is O.K, especially ones who do not actually debate, but please don't put them off, we need them on here to show how silly the JW/WT teachings,practices and mind-set really are.
In answer to this Official JWN Survey, I am guessing no change to the M.O by Standfirm, "Can a leopard change his spots,, an Ethiopian his skin ?"
yes indeed... this is the new legal defence of the rcc to avoid paying out lawsuit money to victims of abuse.. i am sure the wt is keeping a keen legal eye on the outcome of this attempt and will no doubt follow their lead if successful.. published in the guardian.uk.
victims of sexual abuse by priests will no longer be able to sue the catholic church for damages if a landmark judgment rules that priests should not be considered as employees.. in a little publicised case heard this month at the high court, the church claimed that it is not "vicariously liable" for priests' actions.
the church has employed the argument in the past but this was the first time it had been used in open court and a ruling in the church's favour would set a legal precedent.. the use of the defence raises further questions about the church's willingness to accept culpability for abuse.
I wonder if the WT will use a similar argument in the Australian Courts, that they are not liable for the actions or inactions of their appointed Elders.
I bet they try, and I hope they lose.
i was recently invited to join some friends for a meal.
they had a family member visiting from out-of-town who was older, and knows personally a few of the governing body members.
this individual went on about how wonderful those men are, and how happy they are to be led by the gb.. it was mentioned how telling it was that they have not been filling empty spots on the governing body, and how that the men now serving on that body were "just like us" - that one of them had been divorced (i did not know this), one of them was a vet from 'nam (i think i had heard this), and that one of them had several children, etc.
It rhymes with Turd.
It was this issue of blasphemously worshipping the Governing Body that caused me to walk away from the religion in 2008, it seems things have got worse since then.
