Posts by wobble

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UK newspaper interest in "mentally diseased", any Witnesses want to come forward?

by cedars in

following the recent activity surrounding the "mentally diseased" apostate article, a major uk newspaper has expressed an interest in covering the story.

the correspondent as been told about this forum, and he is particularly interested in hearing from those inside the organisation, as i think few people are aware of how much unrest there is actually within witness ranks at the teachings of the society.. would anybody like to be used as a source, either anonymously or otherwise?

if so, it might be worthwhile saying a few words on this thread.

wobble

My story, brief edition, more info available if of use to Honourable Journo:

Born into the religion in the U.K in 1950. Even when young could not swallow all the strange interpretations of prophecy and scripture. Always aware of not agreeing with a lot of what was published, but as it was all I had known, and on a daily basis at home, and three times a week at Meetings at the Kingdom Hall, it was drummed in to me that the religion was "the Truth" and that it was the only religion that used god's name, which they said was jehovah.

I stuck with the religion,and was an active preacher and supporter, until one day I woke up and realised that the foundation doctrine, their "raison d'etre" , that Jesus began to reign in Heaven in the year 1914 simply had no basis in scripture, it is not in the Bible.

It therefore followed that the claim made that Jesus chose them in 1919 as his representatives on earth was untrue, and any authority claimed by the leaders of the religion, especially its Governing Body, was fraudulant.

I walked away at the ripe old age of 58, and I have never been happier. My world view has totally changed for the better, and I am a better person too.

I have managed, thus far, not to be "disciplined" by the religion for leaving, so my family,( all Jw's, )and old "friends" from the religion still talk to me, but there is now a coldness and reserve, some avoid me if at all possible, they have had fear instilled in them by the religion that I will destroy their faith if they talk religion with me, how weak their "truth" is !

I now recognise the religion for what it is, a mind-controlling, restrictive, dangerous cult.

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UK newspaper interest in "mentally diseased", any Witnesses want to come forward?

by cedars in

following the recent activity surrounding the "mentally diseased" apostate article, a major uk newspaper has expressed an interest in covering the story.

the correspondent as been told about this forum, and he is particularly interested in hearing from those inside the organisation, as i think few people are aware of how much unrest there is actually within witness ranks at the teachings of the society.. would anybody like to be used as a source, either anonymously or otherwise?

if so, it might be worthwhile saying a few words on this thread.

wobble

BTTT

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"She said a bad day's when I lie in bed and think of things that might have been"

by leavingwt in

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one of my favorite paul simon songs.. .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_h-ly4jb2m.

wobble

Wise words those too, you sure are going to have a bad day if you think about what might have been, to do so makes me sad, which is why I enjoy the present and look forward to the future, and don't look back too often.

In fact I am right now looking forward to digging out my copy of "Gracekland" and giving it a play at full blast !

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Question about 607/587

by drewcoul in

i am not an expert on this issue.

i have read and re-read information about it, but i guess i am somewhat dense when it comes to this topic.. my question is simple: the watchtower suggests that they believe the bible is the unerring word or god.

that it must be believed above anything else.

wobble

If I remember right, the 70 years of servitude to Babylon applies to a number of nations mentioned by Jeremiah, not to Judah alone.

Assuming this was meant as a literal figure, the 70 years, it could be taken to run from 609BCE to Babylon's fall in 539BCE. without arguing with known history.

The thing is with 607BCE nothing (unuasually for those times) happened that year.

The WT's slavish adherence to an errant chronology and a heavily contrived prophetic formula they inherited from the Millerites is quite laughable in the face of the evidence.

Not that evidence bothers the WT, if the evidence contradicts their weird interpretation of scripture and history, then the evidence will be proved wrong in the future, they say.

The thing is, since before ChazzerRussell wrote his looney stuff, historians have said 587/586 for Jerusalem's destruction, the evidence has stood for over 130 years, longer than even an overlapping generation.

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So why

by bushido8000 in

it has become very apparent to me very quickly that this forum is dominated by ex-jws.

i have many questions and topics to present but i first want to know who i am presenting these questions and topics to so i have 2 questions that i would like as many of yall to answer as possible.. .

question 1: did you leave the organization out of the blue or were you first disfellowshipped?.

wobble

I was born in,and seemingly left "out of the blue" after 58 years, and after being a solid member,apppointed man for many years, more FS than most, best Meeting attendance of anybody in our KH for years, and at the end there were 170 or so to beat on that one !

I left because of the Governing Body of J.W's demanding worship and usurping the place of Jesus Christ.

I say "seemingly out of the blue" because looking back I was reversing out for years without knowing it, I never swallowed all the outrageous Bulls**t.

I am not DF'd or DA'd, I have many family members in, the JW's just view me as a "lost sheep", the last call I got from a kindly Bro. offering to take me to the K.H if I wanted, I told him:

"Since leaving I have educated myself, and moved on from all that " , which is so very true, I found out all the sordid history of the W.T, all the errors with doctrine, the downright lies, and became aware of their mind-control cult techniques. Go back? Nah.

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2011 November Our Kingdom Ministry-PDF!

by Atlantis in

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credit goes to anonymous2011 november our kingdom ministry (and more).http://www.megaupload.com/?d=eq03rgzoatlantis

wobble

BTTT

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Where's Y-not?

by drewcoul in

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friends

i always look forward to her insights and comments.

what happened to her?.

wobble

Me too, I am worried the Borg may have got her in some way , anyone know ?

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Why do you think the list of Service Group members isn't posted at KH?

by oppostate in

why do you think the service group members list isn't posted on the kingdom hall announcement board anymore?

wobble

I came across a list the other day of who was to be in which congregation when we split in two in 2007.

This caused the kind of problems outlined above by Blondie, some flat out refused to go where they were assigned, others were disgruntled.

The list I came across was the "final" one, it was interesting to read through and see how in just four years many that were listed no longer attend.

Perhaps so many no longer attend, or no longer go door knocking, that such lists are redundant ?

The other thing that happened after I left,just after the split, neither congregation posted meeting attendance figures on the board, I guess to stop clutter, one board two congo's, also to stop rivalry and comparisons ?

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I have the will - just wish I had the means and opportunity to be able to convert jws.

by Holey_Cheeses*King_of_the juice. in

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yes, i think it would be fine for all jws to be converted.. .

converted into pet food or garden compost.

that way they could achieve something useful by their existence.. cheeses.

wobble

I see this thread is supposed to be somewhat jocular, and I have never been known for undue levity, rather the opposite, I have been accused frequently of taking nothing seriously.

But when I saw the thread title it occured to me how I have changed over the years.

When I first walked away from the WT I felt it was my mission and duty to wake up as many members as I could, and if possible to bring down the corrupt lying WT.

The latter I realised was beyond me, even in concert with many other XJW's.

The former I found to be almost imposible, unless the person was ready to jump ship.

I have come to the conclusion that some, like the older members of my family, are better off left in the cult, they would not handle life outside, much as some criminals cannot handle life outside of the prison regime.

More often than not I now hold my tongue when in contact with JW's, it is not worth my emotional investment trying to convert them.

I can see though, Holey Cheeses, the merit of your case , at least for a good number of Dubs, that they would do more good if converted in to fertilizer.

After all they are nearly there, they are full of S**T !

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who does the society consider as apostates?

by booby in

from their literature as source.

i did some searching and was surprised that i couldn't find them referring to those who simply quit and/or speak their doubts as such..

wobble

It is clear from the definition given in the first sentence from the new E.M , given above, that they can label any of us who have left the relgion as Apostate.

In practice thus far, it has not been a problem for most of us, but I can see the day coming when they spell it out that any dealings with people like us is having fellowship with an Apostate.

The biggest threat they face, second to the Internet, is from people like us, still able to feed ideas and information to family members, they will tighten up soon, wait and see.