islam more lenient on apostates than the wtbts!.
this morning i came across this thought provoking comment in a cnn news article:.
harris zafar, national spokesperson of the ahmadiyya muslim community usa, does not mince words on the subject, stating in a huffington post opinion piece that "islam prescribes absolutely no punishment for apostasy.".
Depends where you are, Pakistan was going to put to death a guy who had left islam for a christian religion just aweek or so ago,their blasphemy laws prescribe the death sentence.
They were about to do what the WT would love to be allowed to do, but I think they have held off because of International opinion, but I wuld not be too confident that you will always get a benevolent judgement if you live in an Islamic state.
settling the debate about jehovah's witnesses and soliciting.. http://hillcrest.patch.com/articles/settling-the-debate-about-jehovahs-witnesses-and-soliciting.
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Here in the U.K certain lawyers are known as Solicitors, which puts a whole different meaning on the phrase the "Lady solicitor dropped her briefs" than it would have in the U.S (Off topic I know, but I love puns)
Thanks for posting, some good comments on the article, some from some familiar names ! The more comments appear on blogs exposing the deviousness of the cult the better, this is another example of their playing with words and telling half truths.
... so i can flippin help tear it down from the inside!.
I found as time went on after I left I could identify certain phases in my recovery. I went through the "How can we destry this evil organization" phase. And several other phases.
Of course I would love to see the end of the WT, I would love to see my family free of it, and old friends, but I am now at the point where, yes if I can give a hand in things that may work toward those ends then fine, but in the Grand Scheme of Things, JWS/WT really don't matter.
An anachronistic little apocalyptic high control cult that can be left to wither and die, that is all they are.
a clip from the british bbc/irish rte co-produced comedy show "mrs. brown's boys".
admittedly it features the mormons, but i'm sure we all can think of another barking mad bunch who fit the bill just as well.
possibly a technique to try next time your saturday morning is interrupted?.
btt
he's aggressive, viscious, unforgiving and woud'nt let anyone come into my house.. i am talking about my bulldog guys .
Reminds me of the old joke about the burglar loading his bag with swag and the houseowners parrot keeps reminding the burglar "Jesus is watching you "
The burglar tires of this and says to the parrot "What kind of idiot trains his parrot to keep telling a burglar that?"
and the parrot replies "The same kind of idiot who calls his Rotweiller Jesus...."
no, not the joe walsh song.
one of our last co visits, he was railing on the apostates who can't just shut up and be quiet.
rabble rousers.
"A few Web sites here and there," said a previous poster, as though that isn't much, but that is all it took to bring down some regimes in the Arab world, that is why the WT is afraid.
The bulls**t from the C.O is far from new, I heard this when I was in, and I was aware it was a half-truth at best even then.
the faithful slave has put out a list of things they think jw's should have on hand, due to the closeness of armaggedon.
if jw's dont have such a list they can ask their local elders for a copy of such.... .
does anyone know about such a list ???.
Who ison the list ? only those worthy of survival ?
In that case I had better do some exercises to make me more supple so I can kiss my ass goodbye !
i can accept, as a matter of logical fact, that nobody can in the literal rather than colloquial sense prove that there is no such thing as a god.. this, like many other axioms sets the stage for an actual conversation about the evidence, here are a few i've gathered, would appreciate your opinions, and maybe additions to the list.
i'll toss out five to start.. .
1 - it is impossible to prove there is no god whatsoever.. 2 - only a god concept which is well defined can be proven not to exist if it's prescribed traits prove to contradict evidence or become logically contradictory.. 3 - demonstrating an event or phenomena which is not yet explained by science does not prove the existence of god(s).. 4 - an appeal to personal revelation or experience is useless to anyone else, as you cannot provide evidence of it, and it is not repeatable.. 5 - a natural explanation is always logically more likely than a supernatural one..
Good points Manny, point No. 1 is superfluous though.
Nobody has to prove there is no god, anymore than anyone has to prove there are no Unicorns, pink or otherwise.
If anyone contends there is a God or Gods, the onus is on them to provide proof, otherwise the rest of us will just carry on with our God free, and Unicorn free lives.
Your subsequent 4 points are excellent ground rules, and can save us an awful lot of time on here, they have been covered so often on so many threads, that only if someone has a different argument does it make sense to post it on here.
I think at the start of any debate it is good if people thoroughly define their terms, so, if any posters want to defend the existence of your God, please let us know what he/she /it is, and is not, and please provide proof we can examine scientifically.
i believe that there are a lot of "lurkers" here.
many witnesses look at this site and try to figure out if they should stay or possibly come over here and take the plunge.. what we say, how we say it, can make a difference in somebody's life.
it is why i personally avoid sensationalism in my comments.
I totally disagree with you Min, it is a waste of time pussy-footing around worrying about the sensitivities of Lurkers, if they haven't the courage to speak up then let 'em rot in thw WT I say !
I used to be a nice guy when I was a JW, not anymore, its Wobble the Bastard now, after all , us Apostates spit acid you know !
Only joking, I agree that many of the views we freely express here come as a shock to someone emerging from the bubble that is life in the Fairy La La Land of the WT cult.
It would be a crying shame if any were confirmed in the lying view that the WT has fed them by perhaps just a cursory reading on here.
But I think if someone is of "honest heart", to steal a phrase, and they read for a little while, they will see this place for what it is, a wonderfully free forum, where people may air their views, however silly or strange, or explosively revealing perhaps, with regard to the WT, and their ideas will be debated.
I was born in, in for 58 years, and I was shocked at much of what I read on here, when I first lurked, but I soon realised that more truth was to be found on here in a few minites reading than a lifetime spent in the WT.
I also found the love and support and education that helped me not only change my world view, but conquer the suicidal depression I suffered from when first arriving on JWD/JWN.
You guys really did save a life !
The only downside is you have to put up with me until the Grim Reaper catches me !
Thanks, Love Y'all !
i'll keep this brief for now.. long time lurker (4 years or so).. born-in, elder, used on district level (last talk i gave before i left was the baptisimal talk), and lots of hard time put in...before i finally made the move to split.
it's a long stoy, much like many of yours...but with it's own little interesting twists.
more details in the future, perhaps.. as i said, ive lurked here for a while.. its funny: for a long time i'd only come on late at night.
Welcome, at last ! looking forward to more contributions from your good self Sir !
