Posts by wobble

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A BIG change the Watchtower will have to face up to . . .

by nicolaou in

1995 drew a line of demarcation.

the doctrinal rudder of freddie franz was gone, the sacred cow of the 1914-generation had been slaughtered and the internet had arrived!.

it will take a while longer but the time is coming when pre-1995 old timers like the gentleman below will be an impotent force within the society - if that hasn't happened already.

wobble

I agree with your O.P Nico, we can see it happening now, the Internet is such a wonderful aid to fiding even the most obscure information.

I believe too that as the 3rd world countries and the poorer immigrants to richer nations get connected to the Net we shall see a large exodus of these good people.

They often get sucked in because family members already are in, and they will leave as families too. These people are often very concerned with moral values, and on the surface they find that the WT/JW religion seems to be a moral one, but once they discover the underlying foundation of lies they will not want to stay.

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2011 Watchtower publisher statistics with analysis

by jwfacts in

the 2012 yearbook has released the publisher statistics for the 2011 service year.

a scan of the report can be found at http://www.jwfacts.com/images/2011-publisher-report.pdf and i have started updating the graphs at http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/statistics.php.

as expected, it is following on from similar trends to the last 15 years.

wobble

I have a friend who was in the SAD church for most of her life, we have compared notes, very similar methods and practices, uncanny that often the very same words and phrases are used to control and put fear in to one who has doubts.

I just like the comparison of reports because of the oft repeated rubbish by JW's "We are the only ones preaching world wide"

The SAD church at least baptises in to the name of the Father , Son and Holy Spirit, not into their organization. Even so, they are peddlars of falsehoods.

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2011 Watchtower publisher statistics with analysis

by jwfacts in

the 2012 yearbook has released the publisher statistics for the 2011 service year.

a scan of the report can be found at http://www.jwfacts.com/images/2011-publisher-report.pdf and i have started updating the graphs at http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/statistics.php.

as expected, it is following on from similar trends to the last 15 years.

wobble

Are they admitting to a "fifth column" within their midst of professed annointed with a "mentally diseased" state , surely that = apostate ?

As to the stats. it is interesting to look at how the Adventist movement,(of which JW's are a sect, as Russsell never DA'd from any of his connections), is doing.

The SAD Church reports in 2009, (The 2010 is not on line yet ?) in round figures 16,000,000 members, 1,000,000 baptised and around the same number of Congregations as JW's in about the same number of countries.

Looks like the church they split from is doing a tad better than they are. The SAD Church's published financial report is a lot more open too.

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"Thank God that the end did not come in 1914!

by wolfman85 in

"thank god that the end did not come in 1914!

yes, because if it had arrived in that year none of us would be here.

jehovah is giving more people time to come to his organization.".

wobble

Are you implying that JW's use faulty reasoning ?

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Matthew 24:45-51

by ilikecheese in

i'm sure this has been brought up before, but how can anyone claim that this is establishing some sort of organization?

it's beyond out of context, if you just look at verse 45 or 45-47. it's clearly about the contrast between people who are always behaving themselves and people who will only behave themselves when they think jesus will return.

among all of the stuff that i've learned after the bf tried to get me interested in jw-ness, this is one of the dumbest bible quote mining or scripture twisting i've encountered.

wobble

Even a staunch Bible literalist that I met recently, so staunch that he believes the earth was created in 6 literal days, said this, and all the other parables cannot be taken literaly.

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2011 Watchtower publisher statistics with analysis

by jwfacts in

the 2012 yearbook has released the publisher statistics for the 2011 service year.

a scan of the report can be found at http://www.jwfacts.com/images/2011-publisher-report.pdf and i have started updating the graphs at http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/statistics.php.

as expected, it is following on from similar trends to the last 15 years.

wobble

Depends what has driven the upward trend thus far.

Perhaps someone in the foreign language congregations could confirm if perhaps more are partaking there ?

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2011 Watchtower publisher statistics with analysis

by jwfacts in

the 2012 yearbook has released the publisher statistics for the 2011 service year.

a scan of the report can be found at http://www.jwfacts.com/images/2011-publisher-report.pdf and i have started updating the graphs at http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/statistics.php.

as expected, it is following on from similar trends to the last 15 years.

wobble

I see some "Overlapping Annointed" Noo Lite a coming ! Quite how this will work, who knows, but like the Generation and Blood doctrines before it, it is bound to be even more far fetched than what they started out with.

Abstain from blood= simple. Fractions (some) acceptable=complicated. (So complicated that JW's do not understand it)

The generation of 1914 is the last one= simple . Overlapping generations=complicated. (Ditto with JW's explaining it, most are not aware of the doctrine)

144,000 a literal number=simple (if illogical) Noo Lite= complicated you can bet.

Thanks so much for the stats and graphs, your hard work is appreciated JWfacts.

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Mary with pregnancy test sends message this Christmas

by finallysomepride in

just thought you all might be interested in this:.

mary with pregnancy test sends message this christmas.

http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10773179.

wobble

I think it would be more realistic to have a poster with the conversation she had with Joseph about the pregnancy.

Must have been a hoot !

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2 minutes to fix the spelling Banglor

by N.drew in

jw
friends

fix it, it's not perfect.

i'm so to mislead....haha huh?

sometimes i write stuff.. i'm i very bad speller anyway.. i think i told you already that spell check doesn't know what i'm trying to spell.. so... i'm sorry to mislead you by calling unperfect perfect.

wobble

I just hoped it would be corrected to "discreet", which is what is in the parable, not discrete, so as JW's wouldn't latch on to the use of the wrong word and ignore the rest of the letter, which is one of their favourite tricks.

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Illustration, metaphors and similes - and why I don't like them

by Mickey mouse in

jw
friends

the watchtower is big on illustrations, allegedly because jesus was.

i think they can enable people to pretend that they're thinking about a subject when they're really not.

in combatting cult mind control, steve hassan made reference to how the moonies would brand any difference between members as a 'cain/abel' problem and this acted as a thought stopper.. here are two metaphors i see used to support different sides of the same argument here:.

wobble

Aristotle said "All use metaphors in conversation, as well as right and proper words" (The Art of Rhetoric)

So, I suppose we are not using "right and proper words" when we do it.

They can make a point, but as you say, tend to be athought, or debate, stopper. The thing to do is ignore the seeming wisdom in an old "saw" as proverbs are sometimes called, and put your counter argument.

I like Andrew Bierce's updating of several well known sayings in his "Devil's Dictionary" :

"A penny saved is a penny to squander.

A man is known by the company that he organises.

A bird in the hand is worth what it will bring.

Better late than before anybody has invited you.

Half a loaf is better than a whole one if there is much else.

Of two evils choose to be the least.

Strike while your employer has a large contract.

Where there's a will there's a won't."

What the old cynic shows us in his inimitable way, is that those old sayings and metaphors should be challenged for the rubbbish they are.