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Marriage after Armageddon

by nemail in

i've been a jw all my life and am thoroughly convinced this is the truth.

but there is one thing that i just don't understand.

many jw's believe that people who get resurrected in the new system will not get married.

OnTheWayOut: You are NOT a brother in good standing, you can't pull the wool over my eyes. A brother in good standing is active. So if you are indeed an active Witness, either you are conning the brothers and sisters or you're conning the people in here. You can't be in good standing and saying the things that you are. You forget, I can read everything that you've written on this site. There is nothing brave about being here, there is nothing written here that can be backed up to the degree that it would begin to affect me. For example, there is someone here who said that the society is a greedy organization who only sell literature to make a profit. The society haven't even been charging money for literature for well over a decade now. How can anyone take these views seriously. I know exactly what the WTS says on the subjects I brought up. The used to say the there will be no marriage for resurrected ones, but now they say it's an unanswered question. They say we MAY populate the universe but because the bible doesn't say so they can't say for certain either way. I have been "searching into the deeper things", clearly to deep for most of you. You say you have committed no sin according to the bible: are you sure? I suggest you do more research yourself. I tnink the society don't use the internet because it would be hijacked by apostates like in here. Jesus command was to "GO" and make disciples, in other words make an effort, take the initiative. What are you "going" and making disciples? Nothing I reckon.

Frequent fader miles: I have had this debate with elders before, and not had the reaction many of you say you've had. Maybe they are more relaxed here.

Voideater: You are so right, the society and the bible do not have a position on populating the universe. But I think very long term and can't envision earth being all there is for us. The reason I asked was in the hope of another Witness having a view, being able to reason on it by the bible, WTS publications or just logic. I have done lots and lots of research on the subject, both from the society and my years of studying astronomy, so I wondered if any other Witness had anything I hadn't seen or heard before.

Inkling: There is absolutely nothing here at all that could "trip" me and "shatter" my beliefs. People here have said that I would be surprised at how much they know but as yet haven't said anything that demonstrates that.

still_in74: Thank you for your post. I understand that alot of people have been hurt and believe it or not I do have a great deal of sympathy for the genuine ones. Sadly it has become very evident that a lot here are jumping on the bandwagon and have a hidden agenda. That is the reason I have stayed around, to defend the society in my own small way against the unjustified attacks that have been going on.

I have actually found a proper (though not official) JW site, and I can have a serious, sensible discussion there so this will be my last post. I may send a private message to you mr majestic, I found you a good person to discuss things with.

After Jesus gave the command to "go" and "make disciples", he said he would be with them "all the days until the conclusion of the system of things" Matthew 28:18-20. So, who is preaching the "good news of the kingdom...in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations"? Matthew 24:14. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

And soon the end will come!

I will leave you all to get on with your forum.

Ciao.

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Marriage after Armageddon

by nemail in

i've been a jw all my life and am thoroughly convinced this is the truth.

but there is one thing that i just don't understand.

many jw's believe that people who get resurrected in the new system will not get married.

nemail

OnTheWayOut: If you were telling the truth in your profile, then it's quite clear you are NOT a Witness in good standing. And it's obvious that you haven't been to meeting for a long time or you just sleep through them. In New Zealand we had a talk by a member of the GB that went nationwide and he quite catagorically stated that the preaching work is primarily for us, ask any New Zealand Witness, I'm sure they were listening.

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Marriage after Armageddon

by nemail in

i've been a jw all my life and am thoroughly convinced this is the truth.

but there is one thing that i just don't understand.

many jw's believe that people who get resurrected in the new system will not get married.

nemail

One great example of your reasoning is the fact that so many of you say that because the society change their viewpoint on things over time the they must not have Jehovah's backing. But consider this: many of Jehovah's servants in the past have had His backing but have sinned or done or said things wrong. 1) Moses had Jehovah's backing but sinned against God. Numbers 20:10-12. 2) David had Jehovah's backing and blessing but committed immorality. 1 Samuel 16 11-13, 2 Samuel 11:2-27. 3) Solomon had Jehovah's backing to extent that God made him the wisest and richest man on earth but he too sinned. 1 Kings 3:10-14, 1 Kings 11:1-6. 4) The apostle Peter denied knowing Jesus 3 times even after he was warned that he would but Jesus still gave him the keys to the Kingdom. Matthew 16:13-19. The point is that just because you make a mistake, whether something is done or said wrong, it doesn't mean that you don't have Jehovah's backing. How about that, maybe we can ALL learn something!

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Marriage after Armageddon

by nemail in

i've been a jw all my life and am thoroughly convinced this is the truth.

but there is one thing that i just don't understand.

many jw's believe that people who get resurrected in the new system will not get married.

nemail

Believe me, you lot could never scare me away! The only person I feel worth talking to is mr. majestic, he is the only one who has the guts to back up his thoughts with knowledge and logic. He is the only one I've been able to have a sensible discussion with. I'm really not interested in chatting with people whose only motive is dragging the society and JW's down, which seems to be most of you.

Mrsjones, I'm actually not bothered that you're here, and I'm certainly not trying to make you feel guilty! You post whatever you want! I just wondered what your motives were.

As I mentioned earlier, I mistakenly thought this was a Jehovahs Witness site, I was wrong. To discuss biblical things with the vast majority of you would be a waste, just like it says at Matthew 7:6.

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Marriage after Armageddon

by nemail in

i've been a jw all my life and am thoroughly convinced this is the truth.

but there is one thing that i just don't understand.

many jw's believe that people who get resurrected in the new system will not get married.

nemail

Mr majestic: I understand what you're saying. I came across this site and started a thread in the hope of a reasoned, sensible debate. But that went out of the window straight away when people started saying things like "genitals falling off", "being barbie and kens", "Jehovah will kill babies" etc. I'd laugh if it wasn't so pitiful. I don't think I'll be bothered with this site, there must be a better one somewhere else.

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Marriage after Armageddon

by nemail in

i've been a jw all my life and am thoroughly convinced this is the truth.

but there is one thing that i just don't understand.

many jw's believe that people who get resurrected in the new system will not get married.

nemail

Oh jedi master. *sigh* If we are going to live forever, why do you think that this earth has enough to keep mankind interested forever? This planet is only of limited size, so at some point, we will have learned everything earth has to offer. It may take 200,000 years, it may take 200,000,000,000,000 years but either way there is still an eternity ahead. And thats assuming everyone is interested in learning everything. Also, if earth is all there is, why did Jehovah create a never ending universe with hundreds of billion galaxies?

Are you a Witness, or are you just like rest in here?

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Marriage after Armageddon

by nemail in

i've been a jw all my life and am thoroughly convinced this is the truth.

but there is one thing that i just don't understand.

many jw's believe that people who get resurrected in the new system will not get married.

nemail

I came across this site just surfing the web 3 days ago and since it's called Jehovahs Witness.com, I mistakenly thought that there would be JW's on here. That was my misconception, I accept that. I'd didn't realise that this is where non-witness and apostates meet. Actually, the lack of basic knowledge evident here is almost comical! This site really should be called EX-Jehovahs Witness.com. I asked a question in the hope that I could have an educated, reasoned debate with actual real JW's. Obviously there is a lack of those here. I might get lucky one day and be able to chat with an actual, real life Witness here. Who knows?

Why are you here? Don't you have anything better to do than criticize a religion you (according to your profile) havn't been a part of?

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Marriage after Armageddon

by nemail in

i've been a jw all my life and am thoroughly convinced this is the truth.

but there is one thing that i just don't understand.

many jw's believe that people who get resurrected in the new system will not get married.

nemail

What makes you all think that the preaching work is all about those who havn't heard the good news? The preaching work is primarily in place for US to show OUR love, faith and appreciation for Jehovah and Jesus' sacrifice.

Luke 19:40 says that "if these remain silent, the stones would cry out". So when it comes to these countries where the preaching work is banned, what makes you think that Jehovah won't use some other form of medium to warn poeple?

I'm actually quite amazed that there are so many non-witness and apostates giving their opinion after they have rejected Jehovah and his organization! What does it matter to you? If you are so sure that you are right and the society are wrong, why aren't you doing the preaching work as COMMANDED by Jesus? Not one of you has ever come to my door to tell me the "truth". Why don't you go and "make disciples of people of all the nations...teaching them"? (Matt. 28:19,20) You seem quite happy to sit in front of your computers, doing the easy, safe things. Why not go and preach to people if you are so sure? That is your RESPONSIBILITY, is it not?

Many of you claim that you're "so happy the you left the truth". If thats true, why are you spending so much time on this site trying to rpove the society wrong? If you really are happy and contented, leave the organization behind and move on.

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Marriage after Armageddon

by nemail in

i've been a jw all my life and am thoroughly convinced this is the truth.

but there is one thing that i just don't understand.

many jw's believe that people who get resurrected in the new system will not get married.

nemail

Hi gopher! Thanks for your reply. I think "what on the way out" needs to do is some more research. The society say that those being under the protection of Jehovah will survive is true, but to say that God will automatically destroy those who have not had the oppotunity to know him is just completely wrong! The wicked in the bible are called wicked because they have REJECTED Jehovah. You can only reject him if they have had the chance to know him. "On The Way Out" may say he's a Witness but I don't believe him, I've been in the truth 30 years and know that God will give everyone the chance to know him, before or after Armageddon.His lack of knowledge is very evident here, he can't be an active Witness.

I think the elder taking your bookstudy was giving his own opinion about perfect people having self control. Adam and Eve obviously didn't have self control, or else they would have easily rejected Satan's lies in the Garden of Eden and wouldn't have disobeyed God. The reason I asked the original question was that the society are saying that resurrected ones will not marry, single survivors can marry (Aw 6/15 82 p15, pp20, Wt 1967 p.506, Wt 1965 p.657, Wt 1963 p627 among others) and as I mentioned in the "prince of Peace" book, earth may not be all there is.

When I was young, I was very interested in astronomy. I know there are 100 billion stars in this galaxy and over 200 billion galaxies, so there is no way that I can believe that Jehovah is going to limit life to just this tiny speck we call earth.

And as I mentioned in the original entry, there is not enough on earth to satisfy mankind forever. People seem to think that if it's not in the bible then it mustn't happen.

Mrsjones, if you have a long history in the truth then surely you would know of any changes the society have made. You should also know that the society have never said that we will all be "barbie and kens" so to speak. I'd be interested to know where you got that from.

As I said, thank you gopher, you seem to be very sensible (rare in here!). I think a lot of the problem is that people can't get their mind around the concept of eternity. They think have trouble seeing very long term and what will happen in a few hundred thousand years. We as Witnesses should be able to imagine it better.

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Marriage after Armageddon

by nemail in

i've been a jw all my life and am thoroughly convinced this is the truth.

but there is one thing that i just don't understand.

many jw's believe that people who get resurrected in the new system will not get married.

nemail

It's so amazing the rubbish that people are coming out with! I am new here but it's obvious that most people here are not Witnesses and never have been. They are just here pretending to be one but are really just here to cause trouble.

On the way out: You say that Jehovah will destroy all those who have never even had the chance to know him, not only the adults but also the children. That's outrageous! Nowhere has the society ever said that, EVER!! To say that Jehovah will be unfair and partial in the new order is also a complete insult to our creator!! Would you be happy for example if some people got taste buds but you didn't! Or if people had colored vision but you could only see in black and white! Would you just say "oh well, never mind". I doubt it! You call me ungrateful! Well I reckon your not even a Witness, you seem to have very little knowledge of the creator or the truth!

Mrs Jones: You say that there will be no sex after Armaggedon. Where did you get this from? The society don't say that, never have. Isaiah 65:23 says differently. Nowhere does it say that there will be sexless people forever. Why can't Witnesses acknowledge that we could leave earth? I suggest you read the "Worldwide Security Under The Prince Of Peace" book, page 184, par.10. There the society say themselves that the earth may not be the only planet to be inhabited. There are many WT's and Awake's that say similar.

SB: Jehovah's Witnesses believe that humans have been on earth for 6,000 years. Only evolutionists believe otherwise.

Some people say that Jehovah only instituted marriage so that the earth could be populated. But consider 2 things: 1) If Jehovah only wanted the earth to be populated, why didn't he create 20 billion humans in the very beginning? 2) Witnesses who marry are not required to have children,it's a personal choice. So the society don't preach that marriage is just for the producing children. That's the Catholic church. Adam, Eve and Noah were given the command because there was no-one else, if they didn't, humans would have died off.

I asked a question for JW's, I mistakenly thought that this was a JW forum. It's quite apparent that it isn't. People need to do some research before they start making statements they can't back up. I asked a question and if I'm wrong then so be it. But at least I do research and know what I'm talking about, unlike some (OnTheWayOut).