I stopped referring to it as "The Truth" when I was still involved. I realized that was part of their mind control. Now that I'm out (more or less), I have gone back to using that term ironically from time to time. I find it to be a reminder of how deep they once had their tendrils into my brain. "THERE..ARE...FOUR...LIGHTS!" (Star Trek http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_eSwq1ewsU )
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Why do many of us keep refering to IT as "THE TRUTH"?
by ldrnomo inbecause that was the name the borg placed on it's religion, "the truth" it seems to be stuck with many of us.
i am making a concious effort to not refer to it as "the truth".. it is not the truth, it is not the way, and it is definitley not the life!.
so let's stop it people!.
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What's the BEST thing about being "out" of the "truth"?
by B_Deserter infor me, it's having friends that i don't have to hide my lack of meeting attendance/service from.
it's amazing how they teach you that only jws can be your real friends, but in reality, it's all contingent upon your religious "performance.
" sure, if you're not going to meetings, they'll try to be "friends," by encouraging you to go back.
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Was there really a BEST thing about being "in" the "truth"?
Absolutely! Seeing all the young hot "sisters" dressed up for the meeting! Sometimes I still go, almost exclusively for that reason. I like to sit behind a particularly hot "sister" and stare at her ass during prayer.
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What's Your MAIN Reason For Not Believing In "The Truth"?
by minimus inmy mother had this discussion yesterday.
basically, my main argument was that if the fds gets jehovah's holy spirit and their "food" is "the truth", yet they always are correcting themselves, how can anyone in all fairness believe it's "the truth"??
you can't show scripturally why organ transplants are a form of cannibalism and clearly a disfellowshipping offense and a couple of years later after possible disfellowshippings or death, and then believe jehovah god changed his view suddenly.
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For me, losing faith in "The Truth" paralelled my losing faith in the bible in general. It's hard to remember which was first. Realizing that there are witten and archaeological histories of societies such as the Sumerian and Egyptian that predate the supposed Noachian flood and continue unbroken straight through the time it supposedly occured was a pretty major blow. But the death knell was probably learning that the indisputable date of Jerusalem's destruction by Babylon was in 587-586 B.C.E. and not 607 as the GB taught. Without 607, 1914 was totally meaningless, and 1914 was the one piece of evidence they seemed to have on their side, flimsy as it was. Take that away, and what's left?:
"Believe what we say because we're annointed by God!"
"OK, how do you know you're annointed?"
"We know because we have a feeling that we are!"
"OK, I guess that is proof enough for you, but I don't share that feeling. How do I know you are?"
"You know because we told you that we have a feeling!"
That just doesn't work for me. There are many people that are convinced they are god's representative. Ever heard of the Jerusalem Syndrome? I try not to believe in anything without evidence.
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What's Your MAIN Reason For Not Believing In "The Truth"?
by minimus inmy mother had this discussion yesterday.
basically, my main argument was that if the fds gets jehovah's holy spirit and their "food" is "the truth", yet they always are correcting themselves, how can anyone in all fairness believe it's "the truth"??
you can't show scripturally why organ transplants are a form of cannibalism and clearly a disfellowshipping offense and a couple of years later after possible disfellowshippings or death, and then believe jehovah god changed his view suddenly.
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Trust those who are searching for the truth, mistrust those who have found it!!!!
I believe the quote you're referencing is Andre Gide:
"Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it."
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Crisis Mode! Advice please!
by 5thGeneration ini am in deep shite!.
haven't been to a meeting for a year.
rumours are rampant in canada as my family is 'prominent'.. p.o.
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I agree with Missing Link. I know it's easier said then done, but it sounds like the cat's out of the bag now anyway. He's clearly talked to the PO and knows you aren't going. Time to face it head on.
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What Its Like To Be A Gay Ex JW....
by str8?so is spaghetti..until you heat it up ini guess its time to throw my little story out there.
i keep reading everyones stories and thinking how brave you have all been, coming out of the organisation and facing all the repercussions of doing so.. .
i only last august disassociated myself.
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your wondering should be taken care of here. This is very plain in the ot.
I know, it is plain. It is addressed it to men. It says nothing about what women should do. That was my point. Go back & reread my post. Anyway, I don't want to take part in thread hijacking, and I know you could babble your fundie nonsense all day, so that's all I'm going to post on the subject.
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Anybody ever read any really thick books?
by JimmyPage inanybody ever read any really thick books?
(i mean besides the one with the talking snake and the dragon that got hurled down to the sea).
books like "anna karenina" or "the brothers karamazov"?
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Ken Follett, Pillars of the earth, and World without end. Both around a 1000 pages.
Those were the first two I thought to mention. I just finished World Without End yesterday. Both of them excellent books. My list also includes: Neal Stephenson: Cryptonomicon, Quicksilver (started The Confusion but haven't gone back to it yet). Ayn Rand: Atlas Shrugged Fyodor Dostoevsky: The Brothers Karamozov Douglas Adams: The Hitchhikers Trilogy (actually five books, but I have the first four bound in one volume, so I'm counting it). Thomas Friedman: The World is Flat
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What Its Like To Be A Gay Ex JW....
by str8?so is spaghetti..until you heat it up ini guess its time to throw my little story out there.
i keep reading everyones stories and thinking how brave you have all been, coming out of the organisation and facing all the repercussions of doing so.. .
i only last august disassociated myself.
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Galileo
realone:
I'm not going to lie to anyone on this forum or sugar coat anything to be popular here. I am here to spread the truth. Many here know what truth is but want to hide from it. You can't hide from truth because it will always find you and all those fairy tales you believe will turn out to be the lie.
I agree with you that we shouldn't sugar coat the bible. In that spirit, here's my favorite fact about homosexuality in the bible: The Old Testament, where men are allowed multiple wives, never forbids, or even mentions, lesbianism. Mind you, the Mosaic Law covered explicitly what was allowed and forbidden sexually, including women having sex with animals and which relatives you shouldn't have sex with. It mentions male homosexuality explicitly. Yet no mention at all of lesbianism. I wonder why...
In the New Testament, men were limited to one wife, and low and behold, lesbianism is finally forbidden! The two seemed to go hand in hand. Why was that. Could it be because when men had multiple wives they enjoyed having three ways? Of course! The men that wrote the OT would never forbid lesbianism because they were engaging in sex acts with their multiple wives that involved some degree of lesbianism. All your OT heroes, Abraham, Isaac, David, certainly that ultimate pimp Solomon, were having orgies anytime they felt like it, and god didn't have a thing to say about it. Think about that for a while.
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What Its Like To Be A Gay Ex JW....
by str8?so is spaghetti..until you heat it up ini guess its time to throw my little story out there.
i keep reading everyones stories and thinking how brave you have all been, coming out of the organisation and facing all the repercussions of doing so.. .
i only last august disassociated myself.
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Galileo
Allow me to add my voice to the chorus. Welcome. You have clearly made a difficult choice. I love the image of you tacking your DA letter on the information board, like Martin Luther nailing his treatise to the door of the church. The hatred of homosexuals in the WTS, and in the bible in general, was something I had a hard time with when I was a believer. I always imagined trying to make the choice to be gay, and I couldn't imagine under what circumstance I could do it. I then tried to imagine if the converse was true, if there were those for whom making the choice to be heterosexual was equally difficult.
I have known several gay Witnesses, and it was as plain as the nose on their faces. One in particular I was good friends with since we were both around fourteen. Everyone made jokes about him being gay. When he got older, he bought a Miata and went into the fashion industry. It wasn't long after that that he was disfellowshipped for homosexuality. He is now reinstated and "happily" married to an obese woman. I feel very sorry for him.
Another man I knew personally, although he was much older, actually had his experience recorded in the Awake magazine ("Something Worse Than Aids" 4/22, 1989). When I knew him it was after the events of that magazine, yet he was clearly gay. Thankfully, before he finally succumbed to the disease, he at last told the Elders that he "was gay and theirs nothing he can do about it". I don't know how his final months were, but I hope he found happiness in not having to pretend anymore.
Congratulations on finding the courage to break free. I wish you well and look forward to your future posts.
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God mauls little children with bears. (2 Kings 2:23,24)
by easyreader1970 in23. and he proceeded to go up from there to beth el.
as he was going up on the way, there were small boys that came out from the city and began to jeer him and that kept saying to him: "go up, you baldhead!
go up, you baldhead!
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belbab - thanks for the laugh. I couldn't get through the whole thing, but I got through enough to make it painfully obvious to me that your doctor needs to increase your dosage. It's funny how many believers take the bible as an intellectual exercise as to how they can squish and mold the text into something plausible, instead of simply analyzing the plausibility of what was written. Apparently the one thing god can't do is explain himself coherently on his own.