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  Profitable association?

  by link in

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  many here are dedicated to the demise of the wbts but has anyone ever given any thought to the large number of people who are not interested in the tower or its religion but have a vested interested in keeping it alive and well?.

  you will have been told many times that nobody makes a penny from the religion but is this true?.

  what about the teams of lawyers who defend the tower against all sorts of wrongdoing?

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  Many here are dedicated to the demise of the WBTS– but has anyone ever given any thought to the large number of people who are not interested in the Tower or its religion but have a vested interested in keeping it alive and well?

  You will have been told many times that nobody makes a penny from the religion but is this true?

  What about the teams of lawyers who defend the Tower against all sorts of wrongdoing? What about the teams of investment managers handling millions of £ / $ of investments on a regular basis? What about the accounts firms that are needed to move the cash between the numerous Watchtower companies and corporations and try and keep some sort of track of it?

  What about the contract to supply £42 million of printing presses? They did not come free and someone made a profit on the deal, even if it was only the shareholders.

  Are we supposed to believe that everyone who works for these outfits is a dedicated and baptised Witness who devotes all his time and attention to the affairs of the Society free gratis and for nothing?

  That is just too much to believe. There must be large numbers of non-Witnesses making vast sums from the Societies operations and they will therefore do all in their power to keep it going for as long as possible.

  In the absence of any evidence to the contrary we have to accept that no Witnesse’s are making a financial gain out of the Societies operations but as has been pointed out previously, you don’t have to be a millionaire to live like one.

  Obviously the WBTS, like any other business or religion, could not exist without creating gainful employment for someone. So why this insistence that nobody makes a profit from it?

  There must be countless other small companies such as travel agents etc. who would not want to see the Tower fall. Can you add to the list?

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  asteroid to impact on 3/21/14

  by Ravyn in

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  the mayan calendar ends at 12/12/12....so now the earth ends at 3/21/14......hmmm due to hit us on spring equinox..... .

  http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030902/sc_nm/science_asteroid_dc.

  asteroid heading for earth, may hit in 2014. tue sep 2, 5:13 am etadd science - reuters to my yahoo!.

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  WHEW!!! Thats a relief. The odds aren't 1 in 144,000 then.

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  Who here has a way with women?

  by obiwan in

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  ok, i'm know 'm going to take a beating here ( at least i hope so ).

  i am interested in knowing what other guy's "skills" are.

  can you be in a room of women only and get them to talk to you?

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  To answer the question; I don’t – but I know a man who does.

  A very good friend of my wife was disfellowshipped last year for leaving her husband and going off with a "worldly" man. The woman is in her mid fourties and he in his sixties and quite dependent on the booze.

  She was a very smart good looking woman, a professional artist and intelligent with it so I asked my wife and some of her other friends how this old guy with nothing could get off with her and get her to give up everything so easily.

  It transpires that some men make a study of women to such an extent that it becomes an art form, and with many an obsession. The idea behind all this study is to find out exactly what makes a woman tick (any woman) so that it becomes a simple task to press all the right buttons to get her exactly where you want her.

  Anyway, that’s the theory of my wife and her friends.

  I’m trying to get hold of this guy to see if he gives lessons.

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  What does the Trinity doctrine teach?

  by hooberus in

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  2. beliefs

  the athanasian creed

  we worship one god [note: the trinity is monotheistic teaching only one god] in trinity, and trinity in unity, neither confounding the persons[note: the trinity does not teach that the father and the son are the same person or that jesus prayed to himself] nor dividing the substance [note:though they are different persons they are the same god.].

  for the person of the father is one; of the son, another; of the holy spirit, another.

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  Hooberus,

  I have the greatest respect for you and your beliefs but this:

  "Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting salvation that he also believe rightly ……….."

  is exactly what the JW’s teach.

  Can you explain why it is so important to believe this Athanasian Creed, or any other man made doctrine for that matter, in order to obtain salvation?

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  Is this significant?

  by link in

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  can anyone tell me if there are any implications regarding the appearance of the name which appears 13 up from the bottom on this web page: .

  http://www.iid.state.ia.us/division/productreg/lifehealth/cga.asp?linksback=lifehealth.

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  Can anyone tell me if there are any implications regarding the appearance of the name which appears 13 up from the bottom on this web page:

  http://www.iid.state.ia.us/division/ProductReg/lifehealth/cga.asp?linksback=lifehealth

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  I've been browsing the Charity Commision website (UK)

  by nicolaou in

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  and i found this:

  can members of the public have access to the minutes of our charity's annual general meeting?.

  we recommend that charities make the minutes of the agm available to the public on request: they may charge a reasonable fee to cover the cost of providing them.

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  69. The minutes of trustees' meetings must be made available to all charity trustees and where necessary, to appropriate professional advisers (eg auditors). Minutes of trustees' meetings are not open documents and do not have to be made available for public inspection, unless the charity's governing document requires this. The minutes of a general meeting are usually made available to members (in the case of a charitable company they have to be) but do not have to be made available for public inspection unless the charity's governing document requires this.

  Note: they do not have to be made available.

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  Pro UN Awake articles & NGO application forms

  by Noumenon in

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  2. scandals

  greetings - can anyone confirm for me whether these articles were officially submitted by the watchtower society to the un (to keep up their ngo membership), or did the un just use these articles and post them on their website without the society necessarily having officially submitted them?

  i guess the wts had to have given their consent somehow, as a minimum.

  what are the mechanics of proving one is upholding un ideals to renew their library card membership?

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  For almost two years now we have had WT apologists attempting to justify the Societies involvement with the U.N. I would like to ask just one question:

  If the U.N. is the Wild Beast from Revelation, as they insist, could there possibly ever be a valid reason to "associate" with it?

  Other questions do arise from this such as what that valid reason might be?

  Also if the WT had a valid reason how do they know that the "Churches of Christendom", who they roundly condemn in their literature for exactly the same act of "fornication", did not have exactly the same reason.

  If you are putting yourself forward as Gods appointed representatives on earth, and whiter than white, it must surely be a condition of that appointment that you do nothing to bring reproach upon that position.

  There is absolutely no moral difference between this and "associating" with Tobacco Companies and suppliers of military equipment for possible financial gain.They are all wrong whatever criteria you use.

  In my humble opinion, Gods organisation on earth today would take every conceivable action to avoid contradicting the information that they claim to receive directly from Him. The WTS does not.

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  Is The WTS A Masonic Organization?

  by Latin assassin from Manhattan in

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  is it possible that the wts comes out with 'new light' in order to hide a secret truth within the higher ranks of its organization?

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  mizpah,

  I would like to congratulate you on being one of the most sensible and rational voices on this board in some time.

  Russell is not buried in a Masons only graveyard. He did not design his own tomb or the trappings associated with it so does not know (or care) if it has Masonic connections. As you rightly point out, Masons do not have exclusive rights to the emblems they use. Because some of them have Biblical connections they are used by a variety of people in many different ways.

  Try as I might I cannot obtain categorical confirmation from Masonic records that C.T. Russell was a Freemason although some evidence exists that his father might have been.

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  What is an Apostate?

  by happy man in

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  "this is not a posting to point the finger at any particular individual, but to hopefully share some relevant findings concerning apostate operation with this board.

  the question of what constitutes apostasy, or rather what doesnt constitute apostasy does not proffer the obscure indeterminate answer that some opponents have assumed.

  instead, it is a keenly documented scriptural truth that pries into the heart and emotional inclination of all people whether mindful of it or not.

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  Hi Happy Man,

  The answer to your question will depend upon who you ask. If you ask a Jehovahs Witness it will be anything spoken or written, or any person, that does not agree entirely with Watchtower doctrine and dogma. Hence you can have apostate books, apostate web sites and apostate people.

  This is not the dictionary definition, just the J.W.s.

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  A little history on the Bible

  by gumby in

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  2. bible

  it's always intresting to hear the answers you get from people about how and when the bible was formed.

  many minds go only as far as believing it was simply a compilation of god ordained books that we have to this day.

  below is just a small bit of information that many may not be familiar with.

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  Dansk,

  I am not disagreeing with you. These history professors were responding to my questions about Biblical history in the ancient near east so what they said applied to all such history, wherever it was recorded, in history books or in the Bible.

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