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Work ethics and religion

by link in

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during the fairly lengthy time that i have been coming to the board i have noticed that a number of people here are self employed and some also employ others.. if you do employ other people, or if you have an opinion, do you find that religious belief makes any difference to work ethics?

by that i mean are people with a firm religious belief likely to be more honest, conscientious and reliable that those without (christian or otherwise)?.

i do have a reason for asking this question.

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Silverleaf thanks for that. The reason I asked the question was that there were two people that I had in mind when I posted this thread. The first one is a fornicating drunkard who is absolutely brilliant at his work and does not charge a lot. However he is also a thief and a liar who would rob you of your last penny if he got the chance. I would constantly have to be on the watch with him.

The second one is an exJW now Born Again who I would trust completely in just about every way. However he is not as good at his job and would come at a higher price. I would battle to get the job I wanted from him but I would never have to be looking over my shoulder.

The point is that I dont have to ask these people their religion, I already know it and looking at what I have written here tends to help me see that I have probably answered my own question. Thanks

Francois

I will e-mail you later with some info to see if you can help.

Thanks.

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Work ethics and religion

by link in

jw
friends

during the fairly lengthy time that i have been coming to the board i have noticed that a number of people here are self employed and some also employ others.. if you do employ other people, or if you have an opinion, do you find that religious belief makes any difference to work ethics?

by that i mean are people with a firm religious belief likely to be more honest, conscientious and reliable that those without (christian or otherwise)?.

i do have a reason for asking this question.

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Francois,

Many thanks fo the response. I'm a bit tied up at the moment but will get back to you tomorrow.

Thanks

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Work ethics and religion

by link in

jw
friends

during the fairly lengthy time that i have been coming to the board i have noticed that a number of people here are self employed and some also employ others.. if you do employ other people, or if you have an opinion, do you find that religious belief makes any difference to work ethics?

by that i mean are people with a firm religious belief likely to be more honest, conscientious and reliable that those without (christian or otherwise)?.

i do have a reason for asking this question.

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During the fairly lengthy time that I have been coming to the Board I have noticed that a number of people here are self employed and some also employ others.

If you do employ other people, or if you have an opinion, do you find that religious belief makes any difference to work ethics? By that I mean are people with a firm religious belief likely to be more honest, conscientious and reliable that those without (Christian or otherwise)?

I do have a reason for asking this question. At the tender age of 63 I am wanting to start a new business venture (not my first by any means) and I need to recruit some technical expertise. I need someone to design, install and run a fairly complicated web page and set up e-mail systems linked to the site. They could do this from home and from almost anywhere in the world, subject to time zones. Im not looking for finance and would pay the going rate or could offer a partnership.

I do not have the necessary knowledge or ability to do the technical stuff myself and I dont really have time to start learning it all now.

Apart from technical ability, which I can assess, I most certainly need someone who is completely honest, conscientious and reliable and wondered if religious belief could be used as one of the criteria for determining this. Does anyone have any thoughts on the matter?

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If I knew it was wrong I wouldn't do it!

by WantTheTruth in

even after a year of thought regarding religion, and inparticular the jw faith... i am still no further forward as to whether i should go for it.. i realise that practically everyone who reads this post will be anti-jw; but i appeal to your unbias/ neutral side... if thats possible.. both sides have their own point of view... both are very convincing; i am just not sure what will "clinch the deal".. all i know is that i cannot go on like this for much longer!.

soul-destroying is an understatement!.

yours in desperation.... wtt

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Hello Want The Truth and welcome to the board,

I can sympathise with you because I have been exactly where you are at the moment. I decided not to go for it even though my wife and all my immediate family joined up at different times in the past.

My reasons for not becoming a Witness after almost seven years of study and investigation boiled down to just a couple of things that did not include the usual criticisms about false prophesy etc although 1914 was always a no-no as far as I was concerned .

My main concern was that the organisation is an immensely wealthy (multi- billion dollar ) operation that does very little that you could compare to the Bibles message of love and compassion. If you dont believe the financial figures I suggest that you do some serious research on the Society.

I found that in very, very many ways the Watchtower Society differed little from every other religion in its structure, organisation and accumulation of great material wealth for itself. Comparisons can even be made in things like Bethel = Monastery, Elder = Priest etc. etc.

I came to the conclusion that they have duped people like my family into believing that Jehovah does not exist outside their organisation and to look too closely at the organisation and how it operates is a sin. With these beliefs instilled in them they will never stray and will always cough up the money to make the Watchtower richer and richer.

My advice to you would be to leave it alone and keep looking. Just because someone cannot point you in the direction that you feel right for you at the moment does not mean that that direction does not exist.

Regards

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WT holds shares on "Mutual Trust Sharehold...

by Gerard in

i just found another company on which the watchtower is a shareholder:.

mutual fund trust , located in: 522 fifth avenue, new york, new york 10036. the wt is listed as a shareholder under the name of:.

watchtower bible & tract society of pennsylvania.

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Many thanks Gerry.

Yes it was difficult getting around that site so I have e-maild the I.R.S. in the U.S. asking them for advice on procedures. I will post again if and when I have something to report.

Regards

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WT holds shares on "Mutual Trust Sharehold...

by Gerard in

i just found another company on which the watchtower is a shareholder:.

mutual fund trust , located in: 522 fifth avenue, new york, new york 10036. the wt is listed as a shareholder under the name of:.

watchtower bible & tract society of pennsylvania.

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sf in America and Gerard in Canada. You both appear to have an interest and understanding of business finance.

I am convinced that it is possible to legally obtain full and complete details of the Watch Towers income and expenditure including investments and I do not believe that this would be difficult. The only reason that I am unable to do it myself is that I am not familiar with the way the Charity laws are structured in your countries and who is the central body with responsibility for controlling the Charitable Organisations there. In the U.K. its the Charity Commission.

I am not aware of any country where the Tax Laws allow a Registered Charity to obtain the tax benefits of being registered as such without the requirement of completely open accounting. In the U.K. this means that the Charity Commissioners receive the detailed financial reports from every registered charity and will provide these (at a cost) to anyone who requests them.

I am sure that a similar system must operate in the U.S.A. and Canada. Can you confirm?

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WT holds shares on "Mutual Trust Sharehold...

by Gerard in

i just found another company on which the watchtower is a shareholder:.

mutual fund trust , located in: 522 fifth avenue, new york, new york 10036. the wt is listed as a shareholder under the name of:.

watchtower bible & tract society of pennsylvania.

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I believe that the WT holds Charitable status in the U.S.A and is exempt from some taxes such as property tax etc. Please correct if Im wrong.

If this is the case they will be compelled by law to disclose full details of their income and expenditure including the value of all assets, the amount of cash on deposit and the interest it draws and full details of the ownership of any shares that are held.

As a registered Charity this information will have to be put into the public domain. Is there any contributor to the board who might be able to obtain this information. It would show exactly what their interest is in Mutual Fund Trust.

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ANOTHER GO

by link in

my first effort at humour on the board took off like a lead balloon so i'm having another go:.

these are from a book called disorder in the court, and are things.

people actually said in court, word for word, taken down, now.

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My first effort at humour on the board took off like a lead balloon so I'm having ANOTHER GO:

These are from a book called Disorder in the Court, and are things
people actually said in court, word for word, taken down, now
published by court reporters - who had the torment of staying
calmwhile these exchanges were actually taking place. >

Q: Are you sexually active? A: No, I just lie there.

Q: What is your date of birth? A: July 15th. Q: What year? A:
Every year.

Q: What gear were you in at the moment of the impact? A: Gucci
sweats and Reeboks.

Q: This myasthenia gravis, does it affect your memory at all?
A: Yes. Q: And in what ways does it affect your memory? A: I forget.
Q: You forget. Can you give us an example of something that you've
forgotten?

Q: How old is your son, the one living with you? A: Thirty-eight
or thirty-five, I can't remember which. Q: How long has he lived
with you? A: Forty-five years.

Q: What was the first thing your husband said to you when he
woke,up that morning? A: He said, "Where am I, Kathy?" Q: And why
did that upset you? A: My name is Susan.

Q: Do you know if your daughter has ever been involved in voodoo
or the occult? A: We both do. Q: Voodoo? A: We do. Q: You do?
A:Yes, voodoo.

Q: Now doctor, isn't it true that when a person dies in his sleep,
he doesn't know about it until the next morning?

Q: The youngest son, the twenty-year-old, how old is he?

Q: Were you present when your picture was taken?

Q: So the date of conception (of the baby) was August 8th?

A: Yes. Q: And what were you doing at that time?

Q: She had three children, right? A: Yes. Q: How many were boys?
A: None. Q: Were there any girls?

Q: How was your first marriage terminated? A: By death. Q: And
by whose death was it terminated?

Q: Can you describe the individual? A: He was about medium height

and had a beard. Q: Was this a male, or a female?

Q: Is your appearance here this morning pursuant to a deposition
notice which I sent to your attorney? A: No, this is how I dress
when I go to work.

Q: Doctor, how many autopsies have you performed on dead people?
A: All my autopsies are performed on dead people.

Q: All your responses must be oral, OK? What school did you go
to?
A: Oral.

Q: Do you recall the time that you examined the body? A: The
autopsy started around 8:30 p.m. Q: And Mr. Dennington was dead
at the time? A: No, he was sitting on the table wondering why I
was doing an autopsy.

Q: Are you qualified to give a urine sample?

Q: Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check for
a pulse? A: No. Q: Did you check for blood pressure? A: No. Q:
Did you check for breathing? A: No. Q: So, then it is possible that
the patient was alive when you began the autopsy? A: No. Q: How
can you be so sure, Doctor? A: Because his brain was sitting
on my desk in a jar. Q: But could the patient have still been alive,
nevertheless? A: Yes, it is possible that he could have been
alive and practicing law somewhere.

Hope thats a better effort

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Fantasy Land?

by link in

i recently posted a thread about my wifes congregation being told during the c.o.s talk that they must increase their contribution to society funds.

my wife then decided to explain to people about the donation arrangement for the magazines.. she has now been told by the p.o.

to cease and desist talking about the donation arrangement as it may appear that they are soliciting contributions, even though under the charity laws in the u.k. this could not be classed as an offence.. the reasons?we are too close to the time of the end so there is not the need for money.. this is far different to the actions of both the bible students and the witnesses in similar situations in the past.

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Mrs nightwarrior,

Can't say too much without disclosing my location. Can we just say it is in the South-west.

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Help with 1914!

by izobcenec in

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friends

i am discussing about the year 1914 with my dub friend...he insists, that the year 607 is scriptural,.

because 607+70 is 537, when israelis returned to their land.

i presented all the evidence about 586/87.

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The following was taken from the Societies official web site today:

How long a time period would these last days prove to be? Jesus said regarding the era that would experience the "beginning of pangs of distress" from 1914 onward: "This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur." (Matthew 24:8, 34-36)

So Jesus spoke about 1914 did He? I cant find it in my bible so I better check the NWT.

With the cleaver use of words and the crafty use of punctuation marks they can make the Bible say just about anything that they want it to. What hope has an even half honest person got in any discussion with them on this topic. (Or any other for that matter).

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