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Profit of watchtower & awake, can anyone tell me???

by jamey X in

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friends

i was raised as a jw until the age of 16, when i supposidly "drifted" to the worldly world (which i love) i am 29 now and have my own family and am very happy.

in the last month i have stopped feeling guilty & frightened about not being involved.

i have always tried to compensate to my parents in other ways, but am getting tired never being able to make them really happy.

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Hi Jamey x

As someone whos family are all in the "truth" I can tell you that in my experience you would be hitting your head against a brick wall if you tried to tell your own family anything that was not supportive if their beliefs. Their minds will be closed and if you say anything about problems within the organisation they will look the other way and say "we don't want to hear about that".

With regard to finances, that is a pet subject of mine and I have done enough research to be able to say it is a very complicated area to investigate. This is because the laws regarding the accounts of charitable organisations varies from country to country. It would need someone in each of the major countries in which they operate to carry out the investigation work in their own country. I have done much of it for the UK and can say it is a very wealthy organisation here with a huge income. I have been in touch with the IRS in America but they do not want to cooperate with people outside the States.

From what I have been able to put together so far it is my current estimate that the Organisation in all its forms and including all its subsidiaries is worth around 18 billion U.S. dollars worldwide. Obviously this is only a guesstimate but I get the feeling that its not too far out.

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Stupid Rhymes

by link in

henry had a little hen.

her name was henrietta.

one day she failed to lay an egg .

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Henry had a little hen

Her name was Henrietta

One day she failed to lay an egg

Sooooooo - Henrietta.

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in the Money

by Phil in

i have read the posts on the so called wealth of the jw organization.

where is the proof that they have all this money in the banks, somewhere.. with all the people leaving the org i can only assume that more concrete information would be available from people that have actually worked in the accounting department and would furnish this to the fbi.

where is this concrete information.

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Sorry, the cursor just shoots all over the place whilst I am typing!!!

Just wanted to say that I have discussed my findings to date with Witnesses and they all believe that the money is used to build Kingdom Halls. What none of them appear to know is that the Society loans the money to build the Kingdom Halls and it has to be repayed in full by the congregations. Once it is paid off the Society are named in the Title deeds so that if the congregation ceases to exist, it is the Society who get the proceeds from the sale of the Hall.

All very interesting

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in the Money

by Phil in

i have read the posts on the so called wealth of the jw organization.

where is the proof that they have all this money in the banks, somewhere.. with all the people leaving the org i can only assume that more concrete information would be available from people that have actually worked in the accounting department and would furnish this to the fbi.

where is this concrete information.

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Just a bit

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in the Money

by Phil in

i have read the posts on the so called wealth of the jw organization.

where is the proof that they have all this money in the banks, somewhere.. with all the people leaving the org i can only assume that more concrete information would be available from people that have actually worked in the accounting department and would furnish this to the fbi.

where is this concrete information.

link

A lot of financial information about the organisation is in the public domain and some details are available on the Internet. For example here in the U.K. the Charity Commission makes financial information on all registered charities available to the public.

With the Society the trick is to find out the names of the Companies and Organisations that they use to cover their tracks. If anyone cares to make the effort I can gaurantee that they will be surprised at the extent of their wealth. Certainly it is far more than the average Dub would ever dream of, and thats just the portion that you can see.

I am currently in contact with the I.R.S in the States to see how their disclosure laws operate with regard to the accounts of charitable operations. If anyone already has this information it would save me a lot of work!!!

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The Watchtower's Membership for Political Practice.

by Voyager in

thousands of jehovah's witnesses are unaware that the watchtower society, has another corporation working for them.

this is called: jehovah's witness holocaust-era survivors fund, inc. this is part of the results of the watchtower signing on, as a member of the armenian national committee association.

to get proof of that go to: www.anca.org/anca/actionalerts.asp?aaid=16 scroll down all of the interfaith religions, until you come to jehovah's witnesses, and the public affairs office address and web.

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Voyager,

The information given in your first link is over two years old and The WTS was still an NGO at that time. Do you not think that they ceased membership of this organisation at the time they dissassociated from the U.N. in October 2001? It appears from the web site that organisations had to be NGO's in order to participate.

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I need your expertise.

by avengers in

jw
friends

yesterday i got this e-mail.

is this on the level?your kind attention is needed;.

with due respect, trust and humanity,i and my family send to you this letter seeking for your help and assistance although we have not meet each other before but we hope that this letter will meet you and your family in good condition of health.this is not intended to cause you any embarrassment in whatever form, rather compel to contact your esteemed self,is borne out of this difficult situation that my family has been engulfed in since my beloved husband and bread winner of our family was killed.. .

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Can I come back on this one.

If anyone else gets this same message from Mary Elsworth and is tempted to follow it up I would like to offer some help.

Mary Elsworth was born in 1963 and would have finished High School the same year as Independence hence she was at school all the time that I was teaching in Rhodesia. She would not have been old enough to be "married to a lawmaker in the Rhodesian Government" The Rhodesian Government only existed for 2 months after her seventeenth birthday.

What you do is this: Tell her that you will help he out if she can answer you one question before you commit, and within the next twelve hours. Ask her the name of the High School that she went to.

The reason that you want the answer within twelve hours is that you do not want to give time for research.

Quite likely she will come back with the legitimate name of a Rhodesian High School or might even say that she went to school in R.S.A. (South Africa). Either way say you want to ask one final question: What was the name of the headmistress at the school at the time she left? Again you need the answer within twelve hours. If she comes back with a name post it here. I have all the names of Heads of schools in Rhodesia at that time and have access to S.A. Heads names so I can tell if it is legit.

However, for other reasons I can tell you now this is not legit.

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The internet, really a good place for information?

by sleepy in

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friends

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is the internet really a good place to find information?a lot of people have learnt the truth about jehovahs witnesses through the internet, via web sites that proclaim to expose the truth about them.. but is the internet a safe place to gather information on important subjects?grated its very easy to find what you are looking for most of the time,but just how trust worthy is the information found within?often when i look at sites that discuss subject i have a good knowledge of there is a lot of nonsense talked by people who havent got a clue but just want to have a say.it is not always easy for the "novice" to determine who is the "expert" and who is not.. the internet suffers from this problem more than say books, because it is so easy for just anyone to write what they want, whereas to make a book you have to go through a lot of effort and it will have been read and checked by other people.. i tend to treat the internet like i treat people.i only listen if people can give a good explaination as to what they are saying or believe, if none is provided i will ignore the information whethr it is correct or not as there is no basis for me to trust it.. so in order to give good information we must always try to explain why we belive something to be the case.. dont just trust what you read (most people dont anyway)always look for the reasons why, and think of counter arguments , only then except what is writen and still be a little sceptical.

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sleepy,

You really hit the nail on the head with this one, for me at any rate.

There are some subjects (very few) that I know inside out and often find total rubbish given on some web sites about them. Unfortunately some people read these web sites and believe totally 100 per cent what they see. They then repeat the information to others and before long it becomes established fact. I know because Ive seen it on this Board.

There is only one way to use information found on the web and that is with caution. Look at the author or originator and find out all about him and what his agenda might be. Look for other sources of the same information and compare it. Then make up your own mind based on the most likely scenario from all the information that you have. Finally if it boils down to opinion that cannot be established by the facts, always present it as such when telling others.

Obviously when facts and figures are presented by an established and competent body or authority, you have to take them seriously.

As far as the Watch Tower Society are concerned, I do not believe that they are solely worried about their members looking at apostate sites. Unless someone is already on their way out this is not very likely to happen. What is a major concern for them is the fact that authoritative bodies such as the U.N., Inland Revenue (I.R.S.) and Charity Commission Local Authorities etc.etc.etc. These freely publish information on the net that the Society would much rather nobody knew about because it gives the lie to the things they publish themselves.

This is easily spotted by their members who have a legitimate right to be viewing the information. They then start to have doubts and might just peek at an apostate site to check things out. It is not the apostate site that starts the rot, in my opinion it is all the legitimate information sites that bother them the most.

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I need your expertise.

by avengers in

jw
friends

yesterday i got this e-mail.

is this on the level?your kind attention is needed;.

with due respect, trust and humanity,i and my family send to you this letter seeking for your help and assistance although we have not meet each other before but we hope that this letter will meet you and your family in good condition of health.this is not intended to cause you any embarrassment in whatever form, rather compel to contact your esteemed self,is borne out of this difficult situation that my family has been engulfed in since my beloved husband and bread winner of our family was killed.. .

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Andy,

I did not say it was a scam. I did not say do not help 'the lady'. I just said that it was not the lady in the photograph who wrote the letter.

Your thread asks for expertiese. I happen to have some "local knowledge" so I am offering my expertiese for what its worth. I have personal reasons for not wishing to disclose the source of my knowledge and these have to do with other persons who come to the board but do not post here. In other words IDENTITY PROBLEMS!

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I need your expertise.

by avengers in

jw
friends

yesterday i got this e-mail.

is this on the level?your kind attention is needed;.

with due respect, trust and humanity,i and my family send to you this letter seeking for your help and assistance although we have not meet each other before but we hope that this letter will meet you and your family in good condition of health.this is not intended to cause you any embarrassment in whatever form, rather compel to contact your esteemed self,is borne out of this difficult situation that my family has been engulfed in since my beloved husband and bread winner of our family was killed.. .

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I am an ex Rhodesian (Zimbabweian) and for reasons that I can't go into here, I can gaurantee that the person who wrote the letter is not the lady whose photograph appears on the passport.

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Edited by - link on 15 February 2003 6:4:37