Posts by Moxie

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What will you do when the Great Tribulation Begins?

by Malkiel in

i've always wanted to ask this question to those that have decided to leave the organization.. what will you do when the great tribulation begins?.

right now folks, a lot is happening in the political world.. gordon brown (prime miniter of england) last week gave a speech to the un stating that it is time for the un to step in and solve the world's problems, (specifically mentioning the economy and hunger crisis worldwide.).

barrack obama is shaping up to be the next president, a fellow who sure knows how to persuade and lead great crowds.

Moxie

If you look carefully, Freemasonry (sun worshipping) has laid the foundation to begin executing their 'secret' plan to give life to the UN, it in turn substitute all currency with one, and finally substitute all religions with the Craft (or Freemasonry).

To Malkeil: (I'm a little late entering this discussion)

To me, the above comment is indicative of your lack of understanding of world economics as well as objective historical fact. It just emphasizes to me how brainwashed you people really are. I believe that the only apocalypse we're going to see is the worsening of the oil crisis. Don't I wish there was a God to step in and sort that out for us ;)

I'm an Atheist, if it's possible for you to consider things from that perspective you would realize how misplaced your comments are. If there was a God, do you really think he'd need us to play conspiracy theorists for him?

Sorry if I'm snappy, but you caught me in a bad mood :) I'm usually a nice person...

Personally I come here to get away from the imposed theology of the witnesses... not to have it rammed down my throat again.

Peace out....

Moxie

edited: really, I'm normally really nice :) I respect your expression, I just don't agree with it at all...

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The Miracle Wake up!

by Hope4Others in

memorial day we received a call from and elder in the local congregation.

his mother is a partaker, he mentions he could not get over with the invitation so was calling.

to invite us.

Moxie

Without sounding callous or inconsiderate, should the woman have passed away, the congregation would have hailed it as proof that the "generation" is passing away and just how close 'the end of the system' really is....

For the record I'm very happy that she is recovering and hope that she continues to get well...

Yet it just goes to show you how JW's unconsciously 'spin' their own propaganda...

*sigh*

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Do you feel reading through the bible in the past has benefited you at all?

by Hope4Others in

putting the doctrine aside do you feel it has given you any advantages?

case in point my son posts on university sites and often the topic about the bible.

and god come up.

Moxie

"It is truly unfortunate that the bad experiences that many have had while being a JW has also turned them away from the Bible. It is definitely throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
There are so many bitter comments on this site from people burned by the WTS. "

To NoMoreMeetings, I can appreciate your point of view. Yet I'd like to add that for many it is not simply the JW's that turned people away from the Bible, that in many cases is the catalyst, but is often a result of careful study and research. I myself have investigated, studied and read much, which has lead me to become an Atheist. This is not a bitter stance against the Watchtower, but rather my choice after much consideration.

I for one, respect each individual's right to believe what they wish; what makes sense to them (whether I believe it's correct or not). I do not presume to have the be-all-end-all answer for everything.

I think that people come here to vent their frustrations and to share in a community of non-judgement... if they want to make bitter comments, I say: so be it :)

... just my opinion

"Moxie"

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"Bad" songs at JW weddings

by B_Deserter in

when i was in my teens, jw weddings were quite the social affair.

of course, the music was strictly regulated by the elders.

somehow though, in each wedding, someone managed to get the song "you shook me all night long" by ac/dc into the dj's rotation, and all of the "bad" witnesses would have a blast dancing to it.

Moxie

I remember a JW band playing Tush by ZZtop at a congregation get together once... lets just say that although everyone danced and had a great time, there was a lineup of suit-clad men standing on the side with their arms crossed (except for the one who was taking notes to "counsel" the brothers in the band later on).

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Do you feel reading through the bible in the past has benefited you at all?

by Hope4Others in

putting the doctrine aside do you feel it has given you any advantages?

case in point my son posts on university sites and often the topic about the bible.

and god come up.

Moxie

They say what doesn't kill you makes you stronger... and that pretty much sums up how I feel about the whole thing.

That said, having to read the bible from a very early age certainly helped to improve my vocabulary....

"Moxie"

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Who has lost faith?

by logic&reason in

i am curious about who (after leaving) went on to other religions vs. lost faith completely.

once i started questioning the wt society, i began to question everything.

as jw's we are taught from childhood up that other religions are false - so it seems easy, after elliminating the last one, to be rid of religion altogether.. .

Moxie

Being raised as a witness I naturally accepted that the Bible was true as well as the JW teachings... after I left I still had a resonating belief in the Bible.

Many years since, after reading the bible, studying history, science and other religions, I have come to the determination that the Bible is not word of God, nor that there is a God. I am now an Atheist. I believe that religion is Man's creation and an effective tool for domination and control down through the centuries.

As for losing faith, I don't feel that I have "lost" anything, rather that I have gained much.

"Moxie"

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Lies, Myths and fairy Tales....

by nomoreguilt in

in order to avoid doctrine, dogma and interpretation i am going to quote this one scripture.

i will leave it to the rest of my esteemed colleagues here to apply it to the appropriate tale in the bible.

i will start with adam and eve and the garden.. isaiah 46: 9-10.

Moxie

I've had this discussion before with my Dad (an elder). I asked if Jehovah is "all-knowing" then why has he done what he's done and allowed so many people to suffer in the process. If he could make the world a paradise, why is he waiting and letting so many people suffer, instead of allowing them to be born into this paradise...?

His answer was: "There is free will, and God cannot or chooses not to see what decisions people will make and the outcome of those decisions." I also asked him why then he would tempt Adam and Eve with physically placing forbidden fruit bearing trees in the garden... he didn't really have an answer to that... what-ev...

"Moxie"

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They Push You In,,,,Then Punish You If You Go!

by new boy in

they brag about the fact that they the don' t baptize their babies because "how can a baby 'know' what religion it wants to believe in the rest of it's life!".

but a 14 year old does?.....they put so much presure on their children to get dunked, that if your not baptize by 18 years old there is something really "wrong" with you.. so the poor kid does it, just to get everyone off their backs.

legally a minor can't be held to a contract if they are under 18 years old and why?

Moxie

I soooo agree with exactly what you're saying... I have used this argument many times before... to no avail.

I was 17 when I was baptized and one of the last among my friends to take the plunge... I felt that I was falling behind the pack. I was disfellowshipped almost exactly one year later after questioning the Society and just drifting away... How I regret that decision... It has changed my life forever.

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First missed memorial

by metaspy in

this past weekend (as we all know) was the memorial for jws.. this year marked a huge step for me.. i didn't go.

ever since my mom got baptized, i think i have gone every year.. .

when my mom asked if i went, i simply told her no.. i had gone over my aunt's house and didn't attend the memorial.. she gave me an earful, but i didn't find it intimidating.. .

Moxie

Congratulations to you for taking that big step.

I understand how hard it is especially when your family pressures you to go.

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do christians really understand what it means to be a satanist?

by bigdreaux in

i think most people are ignorant of what being a satanist is.

this questions for the christians, what do you think it is?

i'm just curious and am not looking for a heated debate, just curious if people even know what it means.

Moxie

To be honest, that's one thing I haven't studied at all... so I'm not sure.

On a side point though, at work the other day a colleague said something that got me to thinking...

"How many wars have been fought in the name of God?...... now, how many wars have been fought in the name of the Devil?"