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  My first flag salute and national anthem!

  by White Dove in

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  i've come a long way, baby!

  i stood for the national anthem for the first time ever at graduation on sunday.. i saluted the flag for the first time ever at a community event last night.. it was surreal and felt wonderful, like i was doing something so natural and good.. when i put my hand over my heart for the first time, it felt very strange.

  i had to think for a minute if i used the proper hand over the right place.

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  I was at an NFL game a couple of years ago, and I was with a bunch of witness friends - most of them try to stay in the bathroom, or go get beer when they play the NA. I usually do that too, but this time I went to the seat to hear the NA, and see the Fly Over. It was a great feeling. Very emotional. And when the jets screamed by, I just threw my arms up and cheered with every one. Later, when my freinds were all there, the game was between quarters, and they brought out some marines who were on leave from Iraq, but were slated to go back. I cheered for them too. My freinds looked at me fnny, but never really made a big deal out of it. (surprising)

  It feels good to be able to vocalize the pride you have in your homeland.
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  Tennasee- Witness man preaching to Goth Satanist gets family killed!!

  by Witness 007 in

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  watching the crime channell yesterday i saw a picture of a family that was murdered by teenage gothic satanists, i said to my self "they look like witnesses"...and they were!

  one of the girls charged with murder said: "the man aproached me at the rest stop and asked me if i believed in god, he said he was a jehovah witness...." the four youth's are serving life in prison for shooting this man his wife and 2 kids.

  the baby boy was shot in the eye but survived....they ran over the parents as they drove off in their van.

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  I remember there was a big stir over this when it happened.

  It's a terrible, terrible thing. Those poor people.
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  Singing at the Meetings is so mindless...

  by logic&reason in

  1. watchtower
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  i was always uncomfortable singing at the meetings when i was a kid.

  as an adult, i rarely if ever sing anymore because i think it is a joke.

  sit down, listen for 45 minutes.

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  What a load of puke!

  I usually find this stuff amusing, but that's too sickening to be funny.
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  CREATIONIST TEACHERS

  by badboy in

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  1 in 8 high school teachers in usa teach creationism and id as valid science.. 16% of teachers beliece humans were created less than 10,000 years ago.

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  I really don't want to offend anyone. Often I read through these evolution/creation debate threads, start to make a comment, then delete it and move on to another thread.

  I do this because it seems like every few days this comes up, and there is no way to convince either side that they are wrong.

  Back and forth it goes, like a game of Tennis. Or Ping-Pong. Or Badminton.

  It seems like the creationists out there accept varrying degrees or aspects of evolution. Maybe it's nothing, maybe it's adaptation, maybe it's "microevolution", maybe it's the decent of man. Guys like Michael Behe stop just short and say there is a point of irreducible complexity that could not have evolved.

  Again, I DO NOT want to offend anyone, but it is almost like the level of acceptance of evolution is proportionate to the amount of scientific education/awareness that the person has, or has allowed themselves to have.

  Does that stem from a sort of intellectual arrogance?... "If I don't understand it, or if I cannot explain it, God must have done it..." Maybe.

  But that's the problem that the scientific community should combat. If we stop and say: "God did it... that's the explanation." Then scientific progress stops. Why keep investigating if you accept that "God did it" or "It's magic"? There is nothing to test. Nothing more to prove.

  In my opinion, the more we understand, the less we have to rely on the "God did it" explanation.
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  Singing at the Meetings is so mindless...

  by logic&reason in

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  i was always uncomfortable singing at the meetings when i was a kid.

  as an adult, i rarely if ever sing anymore because i think it is a joke.

  sit down, listen for 45 minutes.

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  logic&reason

  Yeah, like this one:

  This wonderful song is even better with your gorgeous harmonies! Do you sing like that at the hall?

  If I went to the same congregation as you I could not contain myself! I can't wait to meet you all in Paradise, and we'll all sing together then.

  What a riot!

  Even when I believed, I hated it when people would make moronic comments like that. "I can't wait to see you in paradise... we'll all sing together... everything will be great... blah blah blah..."
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  Singing at the Meetings is so mindless...

  by logic&reason in

  1. watchtower
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  i was always uncomfortable singing at the meetings when i was a kid.

  as an adult, i rarely if ever sing anymore because i think it is a joke.

  sit down, listen for 45 minutes.

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  Now THAT would be funny... and entertaining.
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  Singing at the Meetings is so mindless...

  by logic&reason in

  1. watchtower
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  i was always uncomfortable singing at the meetings when i was a kid.

  as an adult, i rarely if ever sing anymore because i think it is a joke.

  sit down, listen for 45 minutes.

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  logic&reason

  What about the ones (they were rare) who thought they were opera singers. This one sister would gesture while she was singing, and she would try to hold notes at the end of the verse. It was awful. She would close her eyes and contort her face while she was singing. Sometimes we would be in tears from laughter. I mean really... how can you take it that serious when you are singing such shitty songs?
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  Singing at the Meetings is so mindless...

  by logic&reason in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was always uncomfortable singing at the meetings when i was a kid.

  as an adult, i rarely if ever sing anymore because i think it is a joke.

  sit down, listen for 45 minutes.

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  Not only do the songs REALLY suck, but there is no emotional impact to the singing at all. No harmony, no depth. Every meeting it's like listening to 3 funeral dirges.
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  My parents are going to meet with me!

  by Confession in

  1. jw
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  it was two years and two months ago when i told my mother that i no longer recognize the wts religion as being "the truth.

  " as you may know, to a jw mother, this is like telling her you've decided to jump off a skyscraper.

  i have spoken to her only two times since then, and have not seen her or my dad since then.

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  logic&reason

  We are trying to do the same.

  Maybe this will be the year we go to the Gorge. (but probably not)
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  Singing at the Meetings is so mindless...

  by logic&reason in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was always uncomfortable singing at the meetings when i was a kid.

  as an adult, i rarely if ever sing anymore because i think it is a joke.

  sit down, listen for 45 minutes.

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  logic&reason

  Too true. People at the hall just stand there like robots reading out of their songbooks. That's not what music and singing should be like.