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Oil Execs Defend Huge Profits Before Senate

by momzcrazy in

my fave line in this article.

people we represent are hurting, the companies you represent are profiting.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24757944.

Indo_Dude

Get real. 'The Depression' was 75 years ago. An American invoking such vivid images of poverty is a joke. Whining over $4 gasoline when it's $10 and $11 in Europe, and people are starving in Africa and parts of Asia really is a trip. LOL, woe is me says the average American. The wealthiest group on the planet. Boo hoo, they can't afford to drive 180,000 miles a year for under $1 a gallon.

Yes, I still hope gasoline hits $6 a gallon. Americans are lazy. They expect a free ride. Guess what? Driving 25,000 miles a year in each of 2 large cars / trucks, isn't sustainable. I have no issues with anyone that wants to drive a Ferrari, or Hummer that gets 8 mpg. But don't complain about gas prices. You knew better. How many of you voted for Bush? Twice?!? $2.5 TRILLION has been pissed away in a sandbox 1/2 a world away in Iraq, but we can't afford mass transit, high speed rail, or keeping up our airport, bridges, roads, and other transportation investments. Al Gore and many others wanted to add 50 cents to 75 cents per gallon gas tax back in 1990! 18 years ago. But the American populace whined and cried about taxes being evil. Al Gore and others wanted to slowly increase the cost of gasoline so that consumers would realize the true cost of the behavior and make changes to their lifestyles before it became painful. Guess what? You, and they weren't interested in hearing about that then. So, now choke on it!

LOL! Such a persecution complex Sammie.

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men kept for unnatural purposes?

by gotime in

somewhere in the new testament it lists grave sins that would prevent one from inheriting the kingdom.

"men kept for unnatural purposes" is listed.

are we talking prostitutes?

Indo_Dude

Hamster...LOL. Your description is funny, but actually not that far off.

Jesus used the word 'malakos / malakoi' only twice. Once in Matthew and once in Luke. In both instances it referred to wearing soft, luxuriant clothing worn by wealthy people. Paul likewise used the same language to describe similar. We know Paul didn't mean male prostitution because he used the word 'pornoi' meaning male prostitution in 1 Cor. 6:9. As Paul used it he meant love of rich clothing, jewelry, and otherwise dressing like a harlot. Also it indicates that he frowned on moral weakness, adultery, and essentially being a sex addict.

It's also interesting to note that during that time frame there were Galli priests who castrated themselves as male slaves / priests to the fertility goddesses. They would have castration festivals and orgies for the fertility goddesses during this time.

The Jewish historian Josephus who lived from 37 to 101 A.D. said that eunuchs were what Jesus had been talking about in soft men. See 'Antiquities of the Jews 4:8-40'. He said that 'all those who had made themselves eunuchs be held in detestation, and avoid any conversation with them, he who has deprived himself of his manhood'.

I guess this is why I find it sad / funny / bizarre how many fundies will scream, 'it's clear the bible says.....'. Most fundies I've ever met have never really read the bible from cover to cover in their own language, much less have any idea of ancient languages to be making such bold proclamations. As recently as just a few decades ago, fundies were declaring that the bible was clear on how much God hated intermixed racial marriages. We don't hear a peep about that any more. But most will still stick their head in the sand and declare that they know what the bible says, and will ignore anything to the contrary. Small minds, make for small worlds.

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Oil Execs Defend Huge Profits Before Senate

by momzcrazy in

my fave line in this article.

people we represent are hurting, the companies you represent are profiting.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24757944.

Indo_Dude

Sammielee, your rant aside, who do you really think is more harmful to these farmers you have posted about? Me - someone who uses public transportation regularly, shops at the local farmer's market 1 1/2 blocks from my house twice per week, household that has one car that barely drives much? Or, a typical exurbanite, driving 35 miles or more one way to work, in a household with 2 or more vehicles, at least one an SUV or truck, that shops at supermarkets like WalMart, and waters / fertilizes their 1/2 acre lot of grass? Who competes more for those resources farmers need like gas, water, and fertilizers? Who buys locally? Which one puts more pressure on developers to buy farmers out and turn into cookie cutter housing, and the resulting strip malls, roads, and highways on the fringes of cities thereby driving up land / agriculture costs?

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California Court Affirms Right To Gay Marriage

by BenV in

jw
friends

just got this email!.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/16/us/15cnd-marriage.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss.

ben (celebratin' with friends).

Indo_Dude

The official stance of the American Academy of Pediatrics states:

There is ample evidence to show that children raised by same-genderparents fare as well as those raised by heterosexual parents.More than 25 years of research have documented that there isno relationship between parents' sexual orientation and anymeasure of a child's emotional, psychosocial, and behavioraladjustment. These data have demonstrated no risk to childrenas a result of growing up in a family with 1 or more gay parents.Conscientious and nurturing adults, whether they are men orwomen, heterosexual or homosexual, can be excellent parents.The rights, benefits, and protections of civil marriage canfurther strengthen these families.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/118/1/349

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California Court Affirms Right To Gay Marriage

by BenV in

jw
friends

just got this email!.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/16/us/15cnd-marriage.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss.

ben (celebratin' with friends).

Indo_Dude

Roy: I hope that wasn't a shot toward me. If so, you're making a wrong assumption.

Nope, I don't know you from Adam, so it wasn't directed at you. What I will direct at you, and those others on this thread that have made proclamations about what society will not endure, or a moral collapse, or similar, is to simply ask, where's your proof? I've posted a number of studies refuting your claims. Do you, (or others) have any evidence other than simply your own opinion on how gay marriage is destructive on a society as you claim.

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Oil Execs Defend Huge Profits Before Senate

by momzcrazy in

my fave line in this article.

people we represent are hurting, the companies you represent are profiting.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24757944.

Indo_Dude

BTS:
These are choices that are greatly influenced by prevailing social demographic standards over the last 60 years. What would you have had him do, move to the crime ridden inner cities as the middle classes moved out over the last several decades? I would rather have chanced peak oil in the suburbs than the daily risk of a mugging.
Don't beat him up.

I'm not beating him up. I'm just pointing out how now, for possibly the first time ever, suburbanites are having to pay for their choices. They've clogged the highways with commuters living 20, 30, 50, and even 80 miles away from their jobs, vote predominately Republican and against any funding / taxing / bonding bill, wash their hands of any problems of the central city, and now expect sympathy because they can't drive a vehicle that gets 10, or 15 mpg out to Bumfartin, Texas without paying a few bucks?

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Oil Execs Defend Huge Profits Before Senate

by momzcrazy in

my fave line in this article.

people we represent are hurting, the companies you represent are profiting.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24757944.

Indo_Dude

Big Tex: Telling me I have to walk a mile each way from the grocery store is NOT a real solution.

LOL Only an American would utter that. Yes it is a REAL solution. Again, you CHOSE to move where you live. The average adult human walks at 3 to 3.5 mph. A 'walk' to the grocery store would take you 18 minutes. Riding a bike? About 6 minutes. About the same time as it would take to drive there. Then again, even at $10 a gallon driving a car 1 mile to the store isn't going to cost much. It's the needless trips clear across town that add up.

You CHOSE to move to the suburbs, while you CHOSE to keep your downtown job, and CHOSE to keep commuting in the car you CHOSE to drive, buy, and finance. If you bought a car that got 45 mpg like the Prius would you really care about gas prices? Even if you drive 20,000 miles in a year, at 45 mpg a Prius only needs 37 gallons per month. What about a diesel VW Jetta? Or a SmartCar? My neighbor has one of those and gets 40 to 45 mpg and costs $13,000. A Honda Fit gets 35 mpg on the highway and costs $13,500 after dealer discounts. Same price for a nicely equipped Nissan Versa that gets 32 mpg.

Seriously think about it. Why does anyone feel entitled that they should work in a downtown of a big city, yet commute 35 miles or more one way into work, in a household with 2 or more vehicles, possibly SUVs or full sized, while living in the suburbs on a 1/2 acre lot, with no rush hour traffic, no crime, pay low taxes, and also don't want to pay anything for gasoline? If you want to live 35 miles or 50 miles away from your job, fine, that's your choice. But don't get upset that you can't drive an SUV that gets 11 mpg, for $2 worth of gas per day to get there. Something has to give. If you want that lifestyle, then buy a commuter car. No one owes you anything. You didn't want to 'deal with living in the city' so why should you think poeple and your govt. now should care about your 'deal with living in the suburbs'? I don't get it.

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Oil Execs Defend Huge Profits Before Senate

by momzcrazy in

my fave line in this article.

people we represent are hurting, the companies you represent are profiting.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24757944.

Indo_Dude

Highlander: I don't understand why people have an inability to be accountable for their own actions and accept their equal ownership in the problem. Instead they look to blame everyone else. Big oil companies, mid east countries, government, etc.

Because it's easier to blame everyone else rather than accept that someone's own poor choice has come back to bite them.

Highlander: I do hope you are wrong that oil comes down to 3 dollars per gallon. In my opinion that is not enough incentive to make long term changes in this country. Ultimately I'm not all that interested in what is causing high fuel prices. I only wish that people would understand that high prices are a necessary evil. Only when you affect someone's pocketbook, will you get them off their asses to do the right thing. If prices are too cheap, there is zero incentive to seek out alternatives.

That's why I said I hope gas goes to $5 or $6 a gallon. High gas prices have done far more for conservation, new vehicle technology, and boost mass transit ridership numbers than any government program. It didn't take a genius to figure out that the never ending sprawl of North American suburbs was flat out unsustainable. Unfortunately, people haven't paid the true cost of their lifestyle for a three decades or more. Gasoline taxes don't even cover 50% of the costs of building and maintaining roads. Keeping a military presence in the middle east to keep a steady flow of oil also hasn't been priced into the cost of gasoline.

Big Tex wrote: Arlington, Texas is the largest city in America without any mass transit system. But then it's those idiots' fault for moving to Arlington right? What morons for not investigating the carbon impact Arlington has on the planet. Burn 'em for their stupidity.

Your sentiment seems to be a common refrain amongst low tax / low services members. Much of mass transit is funded at the local and state level. When you move to a low tax state, you get low services. You get what you pay for. I live in one of those colder, older, higher tax states. Many fled this area to move to the sunbelt where taxes were less. Guess what? You get less. You can't vote against every bonding and funding bill, demand low/no state taxes, and then scream when the government doesn't do anything.

Big Tex wrote: My big dream, foolish I know, is to find a way to get off the grid and be energy self-sufficient.

I'm not sure it's foolish. My professor and his husband/partner just finished building their home made from all green technology. They put in geothermal heating / cooling as well as solar. They wanted to maximize the energy output vs. tax rebates the federal government and most states have in place. They built their new 1,980 sq. ft. home with both solar and geothermal. The added cost for doing both was $32,400. The government, and power companies paid for over half of the green investments. My professor's out of pocket cost (which he rolled into the mortgage) was $14,000 total. His added mortgage cost was $ 88 a month. His energy savings so far (10 months of data so far) has cut his power and heat bills by 60%. His total utility bill now for both heat and electric is under $95 a month, when previously he had been paying about $250. He has done a spreadsheet with kilowattage use and he saves $148 a month in utilities, add in the extra mortgage amount of $95 a month, and he's still saving $53 a month in energy. The realtor also, has said that his house would sell for $20,000 to $25,000 more because of the solar/geothermal investment. Talk about win/win. His house is worth more than what he actually paid for it. His total bill per month is now lower. And he's using renewable / green energy.

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Oil Execs Defend Huge Profits Before Senate

by momzcrazy in

my fave line in this article.

people we represent are hurting, the companies you represent are profiting.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24757944.

Indo_Dude

Well my baby just came home after traveling for work the past two weeks, and he came bearing gifts. He got me a brand new Apple iMac for my graduation present! I'm not sure which one is more sexy right now. I'll let you carry on without me. I have my man to take care of for the next few days. Be back later. :)

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Oil Execs Defend Huge Profits Before Senate

by momzcrazy in

my fave line in this article.

people we represent are hurting, the companies you represent are profiting.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24757944.

Indo_Dude

Additionally it's pretty easy to make the case that due to Mr. Bush's insistence on never vetoing a spending bill from his Republican cohorts, the massive run away military budget, and taking the budget suplus he was left with and turned it into a $400+ billion shortfall, the dollar fell as it has in almost every other case something like this has happened. Mr. Bush and his Repbulican cohorts sparked the same inflation / stagflationary issue as was done back in Vietnam. Commodities are priced in dollars. If the dollar falls, commodities rise. Inflation is stoked. About 30% to 32% of the rise in oil/gas prices are directly tied to the fall off in the US Dollar. The $10 TRILLION debt Mr. Bush will leave us with as he exits office in Jan. 09 is just one more gift the Bushies will have given to America.

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