Blondie: I think it was more of Rutherford's secularization of the religion. If religion is a snare and a racket, Rutherford's group had to look and be perceived less as a religion and more as an organization. Hence, Kingdom Hall instead of church, company instead of congregation, use of the term "publisher," etc. Singing was too religious for JFR.
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Rutherford banned singing at the meetings in 1938 - Knorr reintroduced it in 1944
by slimboyfat in...which is just one of the interesting facts discussed in this essay on the history of singing in the jw religion.
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http://www.cesnur.org/2013/swe-chryssides.pdf.
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Rutherford banned singing at the meetings in 1938 - Knorr reintroduced it in 1944
by slimboyfat in...which is just one of the interesting facts discussed in this essay on the history of singing in the jw religion.
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http://www.cesnur.org/2013/swe-chryssides.pdf.
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Franz was the influence behind Knorr reinstating singing. After all, Freddy was a singer (played a little harmonica too).
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Candace Conti v Watchtower Society | September 2013 | Watchtower's Reply Brief | A136641
by jwleaks injw leaks has published the appellant's reply briefs in the case: "candace conti v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york & north fremont congregation of jehovah's witnesses".. 67 pages (wtbtsny) and 58 pages (nfcjw) including documents of service.. .
www.jwleaks.org.
jw leaks.
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Although the misfeasance argument raised in Rick Simon's Respondent's Brief was very strong in my opinion, I did wonder why he was raising it (for the first time as far as I can see) on appeal. I had read the trial transcripts and could only detect indirect testimony that would support misfeasance (i.e., elders assigning Candace to work with Kendrick in FS).
It is possible that no elder ever assigned the two to work together. So often the person conducting field service meetings (elder or not) will ask if the publishers have made arrangements to work with other publishers. It was always my experience that chldren were not assigned partners, but it was left up to the adult publishers to determine which pairing of adults the children would work with. Most of the assigning that was done by the conductor involved those who didn't have pre-arrangements.
On the other hand, perhaps one of the elders other than the three that testified at trial had assigned Candace to work with Kendrick. We don't know because it was not brought up at trial.
Little wonder then, that Watchtower attacks the misfeasance argument in its Reply Brief.
The larger issue, in my opinion, is that Watchtower's insistence that the responsibility of care rests primarily with the parents actually works against them. Such a position makes it all the more necessary for the parents to know about any child molester (convicted or not, repentant or not, one time or not) in their midst. Otherwise parents' care of their children is dangerously limited. A policy that withholds this vital information from them is willful and malicious. To say that this policy is scripturally-based is to grossly misrepresent Scripture.
Here's hoping the appellate panel will discern what this case is really about (as the jury did) and, even without considering misfeasance, rule in Candace's favor.
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Candace Conti case updated
by gingerbread ini just received an email notification from the california appellate court hearing the wt appeal of the conti case:.
the case has been fully briefed.. the case is on the conference list.. the oral argument waiver notice has been sent.. .
i'm not well versed in the process or these terms.
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Vidiot: The motivation of the WTS to be heard by the Supreme Court is not a factor in its being granted a hearing. The US Supreme Court would have to find that Watchtower's case is worthy of their time. Likewise, with the California State Supreme Court. Unlike the appellate courts, the Watchtower can't simply file an appeal and be heard in the higher courts.
With Rick Simons requesting oral argument it's highly unlikely Watchtower would waive being heard.
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Oral argument has not taken place yet. The court will set a date for oral argument now that the briefing has been completed.
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Candace Conti: Jehovah's Organization filed its Reply Brief
by DNCall inok jw leaks, do your thing..
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The judges don't deliberate until after oral argument. The court should be setting an oral argument date shortly. It's usually somewhere between 30 to 90 days from now.
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Candace Conti: Jehovah's Organization filed its Reply Brief
by DNCall inok jw leaks, do your thing..
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OK JW Leaks, do your thing.
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Please Share one of your Favourite Quotations
by cofty inhave you ever come across words that resonate with you?
it doesn't have to be a great gem of wisdom, just something that is meaningful to you.. please share, and if you want to, tell us why it's meaningful to you.. here is something that made me nod when i first read it.... .
"fortunate are those who have learned to see, in the wild things of nature, something to be loved, something to be wondered at, something to be reverenced, for they have found the key to a never-failing source of recreation and refreshment".
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"I remember the first time I had sex. I kept the receipt." Groucho Marx
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Were Any of You Part of the L.A. JW Party Scene in the Late 60s/Early 70s?
by DNCall inif you were, you'll remember how happening it was..
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Hey Designs: I introduced Greg Coleman (Bud's son) to his wife (G*** B****s), Long Beach, right?) during a break between sets of a band we were all playing in. Played a few wedding receptions at Bateman Hall. Also saw the Carpenters play at a Witness wedding reception at the Whittier Women's Club.
Our family used to go with Ben Homer and his wife Danni to Phoenix every Christmas to hang out with a doctor whose family became Witnesses. Lox and Bagels on Christmas morning, an endless stream of jokes with Yiddish punch-lines and then swimming in the afternoon.
Scotoma: Used to hear about the East Coast party scene. Thanks for confirming that the stories were true. The only thing we had that you guys didn't was a high percentage of drop-dead gorgeous surfer blondes with the collective personaltiy of a small fern.
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Please help. I am losing the plot.
by wordyword inafter being a witness for 40 years, i now find myself disfellowshipped.. i have had a number of doubts for a few years now, but still feel as if i'm living my life in the "t minus " to armageddon spector.. my parents are in their 80's and my dear mother is in very bad health.
i was allowed to pop through - about once a month to make sure my parents were ok and for them to see their grandchildren.
this all ended after the july watchtower article and especially since the district convention - with all the "counsel" on associating with disfellowshipped family members.. around 6 weeks ago, my dad asked me point blank why i wasn't trying to get reinstated.
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I would go to their residence, knock on the door and ask whoever answers about your mother's health. You are not bound Watchtower rules and your father's wishes do not trump his daughter's need to know the condition of her mother.