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  Jesus not crucified on torture stake. Impossible!

  by sacolton in

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  unwittingly the germans, during wwii, they experimented with many, many ways for killing people, efficiently and quickly.

  their records show that when a person is suspended with their hands over their head, as they would be on the jw "torture stake," they can survive for approximately one hour.

  if their feet are tied down, as well, the time is reduced to about 15 minutes.. .

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  Colton

  We are moving off the main focus of this thread. The original point is Jesus could not survive more than 15 minutes with his hands above his head.
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  Jesus not crucified on torture stake. Impossible!

  by sacolton in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  unwittingly the germans, during wwii, they experimented with many, many ways for killing people, efficiently and quickly.

  their records show that when a person is suspended with their hands over their head, as they would be on the jw "torture stake," they can survive for approximately one hour.

  if their feet are tied down, as well, the time is reduced to about 15 minutes.. .

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  Colton

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  Jesus not crucified on torture stake. Impossible!

  by sacolton in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  unwittingly the germans, during wwii, they experimented with many, many ways for killing people, efficiently and quickly.

  their records show that when a person is suspended with their hands over their head, as they would be on the jw "torture stake," they can survive for approximately one hour.

  if their feet are tied down, as well, the time is reduced to about 15 minutes.. .

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  Colton

  Good one, Mrs. Jones!
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  Jesus not crucified on torture stake. Impossible!

  by sacolton in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  unwittingly the germans, during wwii, they experimented with many, many ways for killing people, efficiently and quickly.

  their records show that when a person is suspended with their hands over their head, as they would be on the jw "torture stake," they can survive for approximately one hour.

  if their feet are tied down, as well, the time is reduced to about 15 minutes.. .

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  Colton

  Interesting read ...

  by Dr. Andreas Lambrianides
  General Surgeon
  Brisbane, Australia
  
  Crucifixion was one of the most painful, cruel, and most humiliating forms of punishment ever devised by man. The Jewish historian Josephus describes it as “the most wretched of deaths”, and Seneca argues that suicide is preferable to the cruel fate of being put on the cross. Roman citizens were exempt from crucifixion except in cases of treason. Cicero called it “crudelissimum taeterrimumque supplicium” - a most cruel and disgusting punishment and he further suggested that the very word, cross, should be far removed not only from the person of a Roman citizen, but also from his thoughts, his eyes and ears, and used only in slaves, “Extremum summumque suplicium”-extreme and ultimate punishment of slaves If the Romans regarded crucifixion with horror so did the Jews. They made no distinction between tree and cross. “Anyone who is hung on a tree is under Gods curse.” Deut.21:23 hey could not bring themselves to believe that the Messiah would die under a curse.
  
  Crucifixion was invented and used by the Persians as far back as 400BC. Alexander the great brought the practice back to Egypt and Carthage, where the Romans learnt about it and developed a high degree of skill and efficiency in its use, by devising various ways in order to achieve maximal deterrent and spectacle effect. Cicero comments on crucifixion and several innovations modifications and variations. This most wretched form of death became widespread across the Roman Empire and continued until the 4th century AD when the practice was discontinued by the emperor Constantine. Crucifixion was uncommon in Jewish culture and except for a few instances, the victim was usually stoned to death first and then hung on the cross according to, “And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree”: Deut 21:22
  
  One exception to this was the case of 800 Pharisees who were crucified first rather than being stoned to death, in 267 BC.
  
  The cross was made of an upright post called, stipes and a horizontal bar called patibulum. Several variations were in existence and crucifixion practices often varied in a given region in accordance with the preferences of the executioners. If the patibulum was attached two to three feet below the top of the stipes, then the cross was called the “low tau” as compared to the “high tau” where the patibulum was attached to the top of the stipes. Actual trees still in the ground whether dead or alive were also used with the branches serving as the crossbar.
  
  An additional block called the suppendaneum was used for the transfixion of the feet in later times. The titulus or small sign, stating the victim’s crime, was usually nailed to the cross above the victim’s head. The final part of the cross was the sedulum a horizontal wooden block serving as a crude seat, and it was attached midway down the stipes. The weight of the entire cross was probably over 300 pounds (136 kg) while that of the patibulum ranged between 75 and 125 pounds(34-57kg) It is highly likely that only the patibulum was carried by the victim and this was placed across the nape of the victim’s neck and balanced on both shoulders.
  
  During crucifixion the arms were outstretched along the patibulum and tied or nailed to the crossbar, but the Romans preferred nailing. The nails were made of iron and were five to seven inches in length, with a square ***** three eights of an inch across. Without much historical or biblical proof, Christians have imagined Christ carrying the entire cross, however, the upright post or stipes was generally fixed permanently to the ground at the place of crucifixion, and the condemned person was forced to carry the patibulum only, which was much lighter (125 pounds) as compared to the weight of the whole cross (300 pounds).
  
  In most paintings the nails are shown to be driven through the palm of the hand which however historical Roman accounts dispute. The nails were in fact driven between the small bones of the hand (carpal bones) and the bones at the end of the forearm (radius and ulna), which make up the wrist joint. A nail through the palm would not support the weight of the human body and therefore would tear, and most importantly placed through the palm would have resulted in fracturing one or more of the carpal bones, without fulfilling the scriptures:
  
  “I can count all my bones, they look and stare upon me”. Ps. 22: 17 and,
  
  “ He keepeth all His bones, not one of them is broken” Ps. 34: 20
  
  Anatomically the wrists are considered part of the hand. The placement of the nail through the wrist joint had two effects. Firstly it ensured that the victim indeed hang on the cross until death and secondly, there was a very good chance of damage to the medial nerve as it passed beneath the flexor retinaculum, across the wrist joint to supply the hand. The effects of severing the nerve would be immediate loss of conductivity affecting motor, sensory and autonomic functions. Severing the nerve would also be followed immediately by severe burning pain in the distribution of the nerve, which is called causalgia. After both arms were nailed to the patibulum the victim and the crossbar together, were lifted onto the stipes. The feet were then nailed to the cross.
  
  They could be fixed to the sides of the stipes or to a footrest, however they were usually nailed to the front, and in order to make this possible, a degree of knee flexion was required.
  
  Survival times depended on a number of factors such as the age and general condition of the victim and the way he was crucified, such as whether the hands were nailed above the victims head or not. Eye witness accounts by Jewish prisoners of war in concentration camps reported that when prisoners where suspended from beams by their hands, expired within a few minutes if their feet where weighed, and significantly later, if the feet where not weighed, as the victim was able to raise himself in order to breath.When the Romans wanted to expedite death they would simply break the legs of the victim, with an iron club, fracturing the tibia and fibula, which caused the victim to suffocate within minutes, as he was no longer able to push himself up in order to exhale.
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  Jesus not crucified on torture stake. Impossible!

  by sacolton in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  unwittingly the germans, during wwii, they experimented with many, many ways for killing people, efficiently and quickly.

  their records show that when a person is suspended with their hands over their head, as they would be on the jw "torture stake," they can survive for approximately one hour.

  if their feet are tied down, as well, the time is reduced to about 15 minutes.. .

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  Colton

  Again, if Jesus were crucified on a pole with his arms above his head - he would have died in 15 minutes.
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  Why do we say Witness teachings are idiotic - Weren't all of us Witnesses?

  by BonaFide in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so many on this forum talk about how witnesses are stupid, ignorant, unable to reason, and brainwashed.

  we also pick apart the watchtower as having such stupid teachings, and how anyone can see all of it is so ridiculous.

  some use terms like the filthful slave, and the washtowel.. yet, many of us were witnesses for years, or even decades.

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  I blame myself 100%. I never researched the organization and thought it was just another Christian religion. After I became baptised, the more I starting hearing how the organization inserts itself into prophecies. "See? We were the seven trumpets of Revelation!" I started to roll my eyes on such haughty claims and I began to question the Watchtower. I never bought into the whole 1914 doctrine. Never believed Jesus returned in 1914 or 1918. I seriously disagreed with Jah God killing non-JWs at Armageddon ... and I was always suspicious of the Memorial. On top of all that, the disfellowshipping and No-Blood doctrines helped push me out of this cult.
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  Jesus not crucified on torture stake. Impossible!

  by sacolton in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  unwittingly the germans, during wwii, they experimented with many, many ways for killing people, efficiently and quickly.

  their records show that when a person is suspended with their hands over their head, as they would be on the jw "torture stake," they can survive for approximately one hour.

  if their feet are tied down, as well, the time is reduced to about 15 minutes.. .

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  Colton

  Still, the evidence that a man crucified with his arms above his head CAN NOT live for more than 15 minutes.
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  Do Jehovahs Witnesses hold record for Religion with the most False Prophecies?

  by Witness 007 in

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  2. scandals

  offically what is the record?.....how many false prophecies have come from the watchtower?

  is there another group with more false prophecies?.

  russell armagedon 1874 - 1914 - 1918 rutherford 1925 - 1940's {ww 2} franz 1975 - this generation {1999-2005}.

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  “According to trustworthy Bible chronology six thousand years from man’s creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975 C.E.” —Life Everlasting – In Freedom of the Sons of God, 1966, p. 29
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  Do Jehovahs Witnesses hold record for Religion with the most False Prophecies?

  by Witness 007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  offically what is the record?.....how many false prophecies have come from the watchtower?

  is there another group with more false prophecies?.

  russell armagedon 1874 - 1914 - 1918 rutherford 1925 - 1940's {ww 2} franz 1975 - this generation {1999-2005}.

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  ... and it continues today with their 1914 doctrine.
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  Jesus not crucified on torture stake. Impossible!

  by sacolton in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  unwittingly the germans, during wwii, they experimented with many, many ways for killing people, efficiently and quickly.

  their records show that when a person is suspended with their hands over their head, as they would be on the jw "torture stake," they can survive for approximately one hour.

  if their feet are tied down, as well, the time is reduced to about 15 minutes.. .

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  Colton

  OUTLAW, was the seat attached? It was a special order item.