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  Do Jw's Dress up in meeting clothes for Zoom meetings?

  by jeremiah18:5-10 in

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  i am just curious if anyone knows whether the "friends" still are required to wear "meeting clothes" for attending meetings through zoom?

  such emphasis on dressing in a godly manner over the decades, would be interesting if some attend in pajamas or their work clothes, no makeup, etc....

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  Hey you want to make some JWS shit themselves pose yourself as Satan while the Zoom meeting is going on.

  " Good evening Brothers and Sisters nice to see your all doing well "

  
  
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  Repercussions for sexual immorality

  by Veryconflicted in

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  hello, i was hoping to get some clarification about how people are disciplined for immorality as a jw.

  i became involved with a co-worker a few years ago, she was fairly aggressive and she initiated a physical relationship very quickly.

  at the time i did not know she was married and a jw.

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  I know I sound silly but she is the love of my life.

  By the information you offered you are not the love of her life.

  For that reason alone you shouldn't invest your emotions and heart to someone who isn't responding in kind.
  

  Be smart and move on.
  
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  Repercussions for sexual immorality

  by Veryconflicted in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello, i was hoping to get some clarification about how people are disciplined for immorality as a jw.

  i became involved with a co-worker a few years ago, she was fairly aggressive and she initiated a physical relationship very quickly.

  at the time i did not know she was married and a jw.

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  I should also mention that the JW church would have disfellowshipped (Publicly shunned) her by the Congregation she went to for her conduct while being married.

  Some JWS who have that happened to them will go on a careless behavioral path, thinking well if this was I have now I might as well make the best of it, I will try and get back into the religion later on after I have some fun.

  Seen this quite often and certain men and woman later on find their love partners are wanted to get back into the religion pulling them along .
  

  Like I said previously stay away from woman who are half playing a role of non-JWS and JWS they will screw you up badly in the end.
  
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  Repercussions for sexual immorality

  by Veryconflicted in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello, i was hoping to get some clarification about how people are disciplined for immorality as a jw.

  i became involved with a co-worker a few years ago, she was fairly aggressive and she initiated a physical relationship very quickly.

  at the time i did not know she was married and a jw.

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  but it was complicated due to her beliefs.

  That's because full fledged JWS are not allowed to get a divorce unless there is adultery by either of the two partners, they follow the ancient Hebrew laws of social conduct via from the bible.
  

  Sorry dude but you may have been exploited there a bit.
  

  Sounds like she is now on a rebellious out of control do want she wants personal agenda, which says she is going to sleep with whoever and whenever she wants to now.
  

  Some good honest advise for you would be just move on forget her, put it into your history book, look out for other women .........really !
  

  JWS are mostly Fu..ed up in the head, trust me on that, mixed up emotionally, intellectually immature and imbalanced, this religious cult does that to them for the most part.
  
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  Waco Mini-Series on Netflix. Powerful and Scary.

  by Simon in

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  so we binge-watched the waco mini-series on netflix.. wow, what a powerful and enlightening programme!

  even if you think you know what happened, it gives you extra context to it all.

  it's very well done even if you just want a great drama series, but it's way more than that.. there are of course some dramatization and slight historical inaccuracies for the purpose of story-telling but it was very informative.

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  The fires by all accounts came from the BD's themselves so you cant blame the ATF for doing that and no they didn't throw fire bombs into the compound.

  Information came forward after the event by BD members saying that this was the religious cults theological doctrinal plan, orchestrated by David Koresh himself.
  

  It was obvious the ATF's final attack was overly brutal ( ie Tanks ) sheesh
  

  It was also assumable that Koresh knew if the law authorities got him he would face the death penalty for killing ATF personal, so he wasn't going to come out the compound alive.

  This was in Texas which has the death penalty especially for law enforcement personal.

  He knew he had psychological control over the other BD members so he used that power to persuade his followers to die with him all the way up to heaven as it were.

  I find is shocking that many here are dismissive to this person's actions for in reality the whole unfortunate and sad event that killed so many was really caused by him.
  

  Without I am Jesus's personal messenger for all mankind delusional sociopath nutter, none of this would have ever happened.
  
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  Do Jw's Dress up in meeting clothes for Zoom meetings?

  by jeremiah18:5-10 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am just curious if anyone knows whether the "friends" still are required to wear "meeting clothes" for attending meetings through zoom?

  such emphasis on dressing in a godly manner over the decades, would be interesting if some attend in pajamas or their work clothes, no makeup, etc....

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  Jack are you ready for the meeting ?

  ...... I sure am, I've got some Anthony Morris approved whiskey too just to make it a little more interesting, the elders will never know .......hee hee

  
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  Do Jw's Dress up in meeting clothes for Zoom meetings?

  by jeremiah18:5-10 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am just curious if anyone knows whether the "friends" still are required to wear "meeting clothes" for attending meetings through zoom?

  such emphasis on dressing in a godly manner over the decades, would be interesting if some attend in pajamas or their work clothes, no makeup, etc....

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  "Brothers and sisters Jehovah is on Zoom too so lets show respect and dress like we are at the Kingdom Hall."
  
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  Waco Mini-Series on Netflix. Powerful and Scary.

  by Simon in

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  2. current

  so we binge-watched the waco mini-series on netflix.. wow, what a powerful and enlightening programme!

  even if you think you know what happened, it gives you extra context to it all.

  it's very well done even if you just want a great drama series, but it's way more than that.. there are of course some dramatization and slight historical inaccuracies for the purpose of story-telling but it was very informative.

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  Read this and tell yourself was it really the ATF's fault and responsibility toward how things happened ........

  April 17, 2003 -- The children in David Koresh's Branch Davidian cult grew up believing they would die young — and on April 19, 1993, 25 of them did, perishing with their parents when the cult's complex outside Waco, Texas went up in flames.

  "He never was very specific, but at some point we were going to have to die for him," said Kiri Jewell, whose mother Sherri was one of Koresh's 20 "wives."

  "I knew we weren't going to be around for very long. I didn't expect to live past 12."

  Jewell was lucky: she escaped from the cult the year before the siege, when her father, who was divorced from her mother, refused to let her go back to Waco after a visit. Her mother stayed with the Davidians and died in the fire.

  To mark the 10th anniversary of the fire, which broke out after federal agents stormed the compound following a 51-day siege, Primetime's Charles Gibson spoke to seven of the children who lived with the Davidians, including 14-year-old Sky Okimoto, Koresh's own son. All of them lost one or both parents in the fire.

  Harsh Discipline and Child Brides

  The children remember a close-knit community in which they were not allowed to have contact with anyone outside the cult. They were taught that there were only two types of people: "good" people who were inside the cult, and "bad" people who were everyone else.

  During Koresh's Bible study sessions — which could be as long as 12 hours — he preached a vision of violent confrontation with the government. He taught his followers that his mission was to lead them into the final battle that would end the world and take them onto eternal glory. The members understood that meant they would die.

  The children were taught the morbid message too. They used to chant: "We are soldiers in the army. We've got to fight. Some day we have to die. We have to hold up the blood-stained banner. We have to hold it up until we die."

  They were kept in line by a wooden paddle known as "the helper," and faced severe beatings for minor infractions like spilling a glass of milk. Dana Okimoto, Sky's mother, remembers being so under Koresh's control that she beat Sky until he bled.

  Koresh ordered the men in the cult to be celibate and took some of their wives and daughters to be his own wives. Jewell became Koresh's youngest "bride" when she was just 10, and would later testify in Congress that Koresh molested her at a motel. She told Primetime she was not upset at the time. "I had been trained from a very early age that this was a good thing," she said.

  The Initial Assault

  The siege began on Feb. 28, 1993, when 70 agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms arrived to search the compound for illegal weapons.

  A shootout broke out, and Jaunessa Wendel, then 8, remembers the window above her 5-month-old brother's crib suddenly shattering. The next thing she knew, her mother, a former police officer, herded her and her three siblings into the hallway then rushed back to the bedroom window to return the ATF's fire.

  Wendel, now 18, says she understands her mother's urge to defend her children. "What is her reaction going to be other than to protect us in the best way she knows how?" she asked Primetime.

  Two hours later, when Koresh gave agents permission to enter the compound and evacuate their casualties, four ATF agents and six Davidians were dead, including Jaydean Wendel. The adults covered her body with a blanket, but Jaunessa knew it was her mom.

  An Open Phone Line

  Next there began a standoff as FBI negotiators manned an open phone line to Koresh, trying to find a peaceful outcome, especially for the 46 children trapped inside. "The kids were our primary focus," Byron Sage, the chief FBI negotiator, told Primetime.

  Sage's team agreed to allow Koresh to broadcast a two-minute mini-sermon on the radio each time he released two children.

  Inside the compound, it was Koresh who chose which kids should go. Jaunessa Wendel remembers not wanting to be picked. "As far as I knew the bad guys were still out there, the ones who had shot and killed my mother," she said.

  But she and her siblings — 5-year-old Tamarae, 4-year-old Landon, and Patron, the baby — were among the first chosen. She remembers her father Mark saying good-bye and telling her he would see her soon. The Davidian children understood that meant they'd be seeing their parents in heaven.

  Opening Up to Strangers

  A total of 21 children were released in the first five days. They were all taken to Methodist Children's Home in Waco.

  Psychiatrist Bruce Perry, who volunteered to help counsel the children, said that all of them had seen blood, and more than half had seen a dead body. "Their whole world was completely shattered. They were in the care of people who they didn't trust. And they had no idea what was going to happen," he said.

  According to Perry, Koresh had threatened the children that if they cooperated with the "Babylonians" he would find them and kill them.

  The children spoke about their parents as if they were already dead. On a videotape Perry made, Jaunessa's little brother Landon, then 4, explained how their parents would die in the first battle, but then come back as angels and defeat their enemies: "The bad guys win. Then the good guys win after them because they get up to the angels and burn the bad guys."

  The children were reluctant to open up to the strangers at first, but soon began to confide in them, saying the Davidians were planning to die in the compound.

  Perry didn't believe them at first, until Jaunessa drew a picture that brought it home: the picture showed the compound engulfed in flames, with steps leading up to heaven. When he asked her what the picture meant, she told him, "You'll find out."
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  Watchtower President Dies From COVID-19!

  by Atlantis in

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  watchtower president dies of covid-19.

  https://nycinews.com/jehovahs-witnesses-president/?fbclid=iwar3n7jwlxwtmvhkjswhhdxekgxcvogw0jxp-rkyhfb_mg1trztlsb3uhkiw .

  petra!.

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  And the new President of the Watchtower Corporation and JWorg. will be........

  Ta Daa ...... Steven Lett.

  

  Commonly known by his associated peers as Daffy Duck

  
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  Waco Mini-Series on Netflix. Powerful and Scary.

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  so we binge-watched the waco mini-series on netflix.. wow, what a powerful and enlightening programme!

  even if you think you know what happened, it gives you extra context to it all.

  it's very well done even if you just want a great drama series, but it's way more than that.. there are of course some dramatization and slight historical inaccuracies for the purpose of story-telling but it was very informative.

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  you're just familiar with one and dulled to how ridiculous it all is.

  Perhaps, Catholicism is pretty ridiculous too buy not so morally repugnant and they are civil in comparison to the BD's with David Koresh.
  

  Its acknowledged that the ATF mishandled the situation at the time but lets not forget that Koresh was a bad MF with a lot of guns and followers that he mentally controlled and exploited .

  Jesus with a AK-47 is bad man to mess with, particularly when the cops are chasing him down.