Posts by Finkelstein

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The Great Debate: "Has Science Refuted Religion?

by dark angle in

just want to share this amazing debate!

caltech cosmologist and physicist sean carroll teams up with skeptic magazine publisher and science historian michael shermer in this epic debate with noted conservative author and king's college president dinesh d'souza and mit physicist ian hutchinson as they go head-to-head over one of the most controversial issues of our age.

as science pushes deeper into territory once the province of religion, with questions such as why there is something rather than nothing?, where did the universe come from?, how did life arise?, what was the origin of morality?, and others, inevitable conflicts arise over the best approach to answer them.

Finkelstein

The most that science really has ever done is disprove a literal rendering of some books/verses.

The bible should be perceived as a book of embellishment by people who were too ignorant to do anything

but embellish stories of their select gods.

Science has brought enlightenment to the world we live , the same world the ancient people lived in so many years ago.

In a analytical sense, yes science has refuted religion, but one should also consider what plausible benefits religion

has done for benefit of humanity in a sociological sense.

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"DON'T BE AFRAID TO DIE FOR THE TRUTH"

by Mary in

jw
friends

my jw sister was over tonight for supper and after a couple of glasses of vino she told me that "today's watchtower study was bullshit" and that one of the 'elite elders' made a comment that bothered her a great deal.. he was apparently at bethel not too long ago and "one of the big-wigs" who was giving a talk said "don't be afraid of dying for the truth brothers" and this jackass was stupid enough to repeat this at the meeting.

it bothered my sister a great deal and i said to her: "soooo are they going to start passing out the kood-aid or what?

" she knew exactly what i was talking about and she said "ya, i wondered the same thing.

Finkelstein

Creating lies to support the proclamation that the WTS. is the Truth guided by god himself is the underlining agenda for the leaders

of the WTS. Corporation. Unfortunately thousands have needlessly died by this supposed Truth that was never there in the first place.

Men playing with the power of god in their hands can really be a dangerous thing.

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Proficient Jehovah Witness Apologist Per Kingdom Hall, How Many?

by Bubblegum Apotheosis in

on average, how many highly trained bible students would you estimate existed in your kingdom hall?

to define this further, i am thinking of men or women who studied more than watchtower literature, spent time in libraries to dig deeper than most shallow minded drones.. how can someone be a baptized jw for forty five years and be stupid regarding "the trintiy, hell fire, first century culture, church father's teachings, rapture, heaven, reasons for defending the reliability of bible texts."?

could the watering down, diluted teachings be the problem with "new-gen's" impotent bible understanding or lack of understanding?.

Finkelstein

As Proficient Jehovah Witness Apologist go, In mine probably a handful and most were either elders or SP.

The only problem was they were trained only in WTS. doctrines which shouldn't be taken as having an indepth bible theologian standard.

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"DON'T BE AFRAID TO DIE FOR THE TRUTH"

by Mary in

jw
friends

my jw sister was over tonight for supper and after a couple of glasses of vino she told me that "today's watchtower study was bullshit" and that one of the 'elite elders' made a comment that bothered her a great deal.. he was apparently at bethel not too long ago and "one of the big-wigs" who was giving a talk said "don't be afraid of dying for the truth brothers" and this jackass was stupid enough to repeat this at the meeting.

it bothered my sister a great deal and i said to her: "soooo are they going to start passing out the kood-aid or what?

" she knew exactly what i was talking about and she said "ya, i wondered the same thing.

Finkelstein

God puts power into men's hands and corruption will usually profuse out of that, has since gods were first created.

Lies to support other lies made by the same people.

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"DON'T BE AFRAID TO DIE FOR THE TRUTH"

by Mary in

jw
friends

my jw sister was over tonight for supper and after a couple of glasses of vino she told me that "today's watchtower study was bullshit" and that one of the 'elite elders' made a comment that bothered her a great deal.. he was apparently at bethel not too long ago and "one of the big-wigs" who was giving a talk said "don't be afraid of dying for the truth brothers" and this jackass was stupid enough to repeat this at the meeting.

it bothered my sister a great deal and i said to her: "soooo are they going to start passing out the kood-aid or what?

" she knew exactly what i was talking about and she said "ya, i wondered the same thing.

Finkelstein

"DON'T BE AFRAID TO DIE FOR THE TRUTH"

What that really is saying don't be afraid of upholding or dieing over the WTS. doctrines,

are words and bible interpretations have been sanctified from god himself.

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"DON'T BE AFRAID TO DIE FOR THE TRUTH"

by Mary in

jw
friends

my jw sister was over tonight for supper and after a couple of glasses of vino she told me that "today's watchtower study was bullshit" and that one of the 'elite elders' made a comment that bothered her a great deal.. he was apparently at bethel not too long ago and "one of the big-wigs" who was giving a talk said "don't be afraid of dying for the truth brothers" and this jackass was stupid enough to repeat this at the meeting.

it bothered my sister a great deal and i said to her: "soooo are they going to start passing out the kood-aid or what?

" she knew exactly what i was talking about and she said "ya, i wondered the same thing.

Finkelstein

When you retrospectively look at the WTS. past doctrines, particularly on the last days and the return of Christ, you'll come to

realize that the WTS. got its power and money by out right lying not only from doctrines pulled out of the bible

but by self identifying their organization the only true religious organization being guided by god.

The organization as its known has killed many people by pretentiously supporting this proposition.

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REAL-TIME CIRCUIT ASSEMBLY UPDATE "DO NOT SHOPLIFT FROM JEHOVAH!"!!!

by Sunflower Samurai in

just a quick overview of some new light that is coming our way, forgive my posting via my cellphone.

audience is given ten questions and we have receved anwsers to r questions.. .

"we are stealing from jehovah, if we are worrying about problems in our life, congregation, or employment.

Finkelstein

Quite the ironic thing for the WTS. to say since the WTS. has been stealing from Jehovah and exploiting his word for power

and money for over a 100 years . Pot calling the kettle black

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"DON'T BE AFRAID TO DIE FOR THE TRUTH"

by Mary in

jw
friends

my jw sister was over tonight for supper and after a couple of glasses of vino she told me that "today's watchtower study was bullshit" and that one of the 'elite elders' made a comment that bothered her a great deal.. he was apparently at bethel not too long ago and "one of the big-wigs" who was giving a talk said "don't be afraid of dying for the truth brothers" and this jackass was stupid enough to repeat this at the meeting.

it bothered my sister a great deal and i said to her: "soooo are they going to start passing out the kood-aid or what?

" she knew exactly what i was talking about and she said "ya, i wondered the same thing.

Finkelstein

Its obvious to the causal person who listens to this propaganda garble, how the WTS. mentally indoctrinates people to become their working slaves.

A lot of lying and manipulation. And that is the REAL truth

The WTS. got the majority of its power and money by lying in the first place.

All of their lies were postulated and subjectively supported by saying they were god's chosen organization,

this had a luring effect onto people and again drawing people in by saying the END is NEAR.

Pure and utter corruption in presentation of religious virtue.

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"DON'T BE AFRAID TO DIE FOR THE TRUTH"

by Mary in

jw
friends

my jw sister was over tonight for supper and after a couple of glasses of vino she told me that "today's watchtower study was bullshit" and that one of the 'elite elders' made a comment that bothered her a great deal.. he was apparently at bethel not too long ago and "one of the big-wigs" who was giving a talk said "don't be afraid of dying for the truth brothers" and this jackass was stupid enough to repeat this at the meeting.

it bothered my sister a great deal and i said to her: "soooo are they going to start passing out the kood-aid or what?

" she knew exactly what i was talking about and she said "ya, i wondered the same thing.

Finkelstein

Yes show your loyalty and die if you must for the WTS Corporation, god's solemn publishing house.

He will see this and in return gratefully let you enter into that earthly paradise he promised.

You do want to make yourself able for that don't you ?

Always remember the WTS. is the Truth through this organization and your survival weighs upon how much you devote yourself to it.

Remember to keep track of all your hours preaching you do, as well how many pieces of litature by the WTS. you place.

This is very important toward your spirituality level, the more time preaching will heighten your personal commit to god

and offer a basis for god to see how devoted you are to him and his earthly publishing house which he owns and governs over.

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Evidence for God...

by tec in

jw
friends

life come from the living, and this is a universe of life.

his teachings are truth.

which is why i weight it against the truth of the teachings (and one other thing that i will get to).

Finkelstein

Here are some personal viewpoints by people including Richard Dawkins about the belief or evidential existence of god.

If god is only to be found within the human imagination, would it not behoove us to imagine the best possibilities of what god can do and will do ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ5QG3MUTtg&feature=g-vrec