Should "God" be convicted? I guess we are to assume you mean Jehovah?
He should be convicted right along with Zeus, Baal, Dagon and Apollo.
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Should God be convicted of war crimes???
by chuckyy injust recently thinking of instances in old testament when jehovah instructed his people to slaughter animals, women, and even children.
if a human being today instructed an army to do this, wouldn't he be convicted of genocide/war crimes???.
chukyy.
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How Were "Sisters" Treated In Your Hall?
by minimus inin my hall, there were a number of females who were more qualified to run a hall than were some of the elders.
certain elders expressed their intimidation of these females by picking on them, to correct them, if they possibly could.
as long as a "sister" was "submissive", she was wonderful!
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maximumtool
I actually was born into a KH that was a really great group of people...
The sisters were treated with incredible respect. The guidelines the society laid out were always strictly followed, but there never was anything condescending about it. When it came to responsibilities, it was pretty much brothers who did everything. But, it was always just the way it was done. Their attitude about it was collectively, "well this is how Jehovah wants it done, so this is how we are going to do it."
Looking back, I dont agree with the position and think the idea of brothers doing everything is stupid, but the brothers in my hall were never condescending to the sisters or attempted to put them in "their place". And the sisters, who seemed to appreciate the brothers, never took it any way but as positive.
They actually were a really great congregation, and they always said that no matter what they were told to do, as long as they were serving Jehovah through Christ Jesus then they would do anything. I remember hearing one elder say that if Jehovah directed the FDS to reverse the roles tomorrow and it was women who now took the lead he would love to sit back and just enjoy the meeting...
So I am glad I grew up in an environment were women were treated with respect...
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IMO ~ The Great Tribulation and Armageddon
by Flash inimo - the great tribulation:.
occurs when religion is attacked.
it appears to be a destructive power apart from god but without his intervention 'no flesh would be saved' on earth (matthew 24: 21 and 22).
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maximumtool
This post is laughably absurd and just more alarmist religious propoganda designed to scare you into believing...
New diseases do continue to emerge and will continue to emerge as populations intermingle and the world gets smaller, and I dont mean smaller in the literal sense. It has happened for millions of years and will continue to do so. The fact that it seems as if this occurs more frequently these days is simply due to the fact that we now have the ability to track outbreaks like we never have had in the past, and the world is as small as it has ever been. As the world gets smaller, again not literally, we will see these outbreaks occur more frequently. It seems like a big negative to us, but it is perfectly natural and we would be ignorant to expect otherwise.
With regards to violent weather events, you have no impirical data to back your statements up and observation proves everything you said to be incorrect.
Oh, and the flood of Noahs day, as it is taught by the WTBS, didnt happen.
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Why do DOGS grow old and die?
by TooBad TooSad inthe average life span of a dog is 8 to 15 years.
why do dogs grow old and die?.
we are taught that man grows old and dies because of the orginal sin of adam.. what sin did the original dog do?
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maximumtool
Dogs die for the same reason that humans die. They were not designed to live forever.
They live long enough to ensure the survival of their species, and then they die.
If you look at virtually all species on this planet, they typically live long enough to produce enough off spring to ensure that their species goes on. If they didnt do this, they would go extinct, as have many millions of species throughout Earth's history.
If you look at the particularly long lived species of animals on this planet, they either produce great numbers of off spring that have very little chance of individually surviving, like sea turtles, or they reproduce very infrequently and devote an incredible amount of energy to each individual off spring, like whales.
But in the end they all die. They live long enough to do their best to make sure their species doesnt die out, and then they die themselves. That is the nature of life on this planet for all lifeforms.
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Why Evolution Should Be Taught
by hamilcarr inwhy evolutionary biology is a crucial part of the curriculum .... .
optimism in evolution.
by olivia judsonlondon.
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maximumtool
Yknot and JG,
It figures. Instead of actually addressing well intentioned statements which expose your willful ignorance, you respond to someone from Ireland and call them a Yankee...Real swift.
Ignorance isnt bliss forever guys.
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Why Evolution Should Be Taught
by hamilcarr inwhy evolutionary biology is a crucial part of the curriculum .... .
optimism in evolution.
by olivia judsonlondon.
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maximumtool
Yknot,
That is just a frightening mentality and position. Only if we learned all things by osmosis would we ever want to just follow our belief. What you have displayed is the absolute essence of close mindedness.
And you can not say that no one is "converted" by these conversations. I used to be a creationist. I was far more blatant and adamant then anyone on either side has been on this thread. It was the willingness to read, and engage in, these types of conversations with an open mind that allowed me to see and accept the truth of evolution.
I know I am not alone in this. Most of us on this board are former JW's. That means that most of us on this board were former creationists, at least to some extent, and most of us thoroughly. The fact that many of the posters on this board are now evolutionists is proof that these conversations should be had and that many people are, as you put it, converted by them. And, it is more appropriate to say that we were "corrected".
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Why Evolution Should Be Taught
by hamilcarr inwhy evolutionary biology is a crucial part of the curriculum .... .
optimism in evolution.
by olivia judsonlondon.
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maximumtool
JG,
But you are still not getting the point...
You do not know what evolution even is. That doesnt mean you are stupid or a redneck or anything negative, it just means you do not know. If evolution actually was what you thought it was, you are right to not believe it. But it is not.
Does that make sense to you? Because if you insist that evolution is something that it is not, just so you can say you do not believe it, then that is being willfully ignorant.
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Why Evolution Should Be Taught
by hamilcarr inwhy evolutionary biology is a crucial part of the curriculum .... .
optimism in evolution.
by olivia judsonlondon.
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maximumtool
JG,
Your comment that there should be a "disclaimer" that evolution is a theory is exactly what I am talking about when I tell you that you do not have the correct understanding of what evolution even is. What about the theory of gravity? What about the theory of special and general relativity? The word theory, as applied to science, is completely different then what is generally used in every day language.
A theory is a statement to explain a set of observed facts, it is not a hunch. That is the difference. Evolution should always be explained as a scientific theory, because that is what it is. It is an attempt to explain observed facts.
And you can see evolution happening all around you. You can watch populations of bacteria evolve new defenses and adapt as a population. Scientists can even predict and control this, and that is how many medical advances are made. You can watch species develop greater capabilities or go extinct due to the competition of other species. How many species have gone extinct simply because man is so successful as a species? Ironically, that "success" could actually end up destroying man, which is an evolutionary twist that has happened millions of times to other species through out history...
Evolution isnt something that happened, past tense, millions or a billion years ago. It has been happening for hundreds of millions of years just hear on Earth. Do you see the difference?
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Why Evolution Should Be Taught
by hamilcarr inwhy evolutionary biology is a crucial part of the curriculum .... .
optimism in evolution.
by olivia judsonlondon.
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maximumtool
JG,
I am sorry you have been abused by some people and treated with disrespect. Its classless and shouldnt happen between any people, regardless of the "group" that they represent. We are all humans first and foremost and should treat others as equals and with respect, I believe that the capacity to do this to a greater degree then other animals is one of the things that makes us as people unique.
I will get back to the nature of your posts though. You are right, for most of us out there, and it was put very well when it was stated that food is not evolving or being created in our fridge, the debate between evolution and creation does not directly effect our abilities to provide for our families on a day to day basis. However, the understanding and continued advancement in our knowledge base regarding evolutionary mechanisms absolutely does have a long term effect on your life and your well being, and this is what impassions people who see that creationism poses a danger to this.
You have already acknowledged in your prior posts that there are medical benefits to the understanding of certain evolutionary processes. And while the other things you mentioned are certainly important to the education process and system (resume building, understanding government, better reading comprehension) you are already benefiting from the fact that better understanding of evolutionary mechanisms have allowed us to construct vaccines to protect you and your family from illnesses that used to ravage populations, anitbiotics that protect us from infections, new techniques just becoming available that will literally help us erase errors in our genetic code that cause not only disabilities in yourself and myself (many not even noticeable) but also prevent them from being passed on, thus aiding the species. The list goes on and on...
This isnt an attempt to convert you. But it is an attempt to correct you. You are obviously an intelligent person, and you clearly have alot to say. And, as I pointed out in my prior post, if evolution actually was as you believe it was, you would be right to reject it. But what we are all trying to tell you is that evolution is not what you believe it is. It is not what I spent the first 24 years of my life believing it was. I now see that I was wrong, and I used to make the same arguments that you are making now.
In a way your posts are no different then if I went on a message board discussing the President Kennedy assasination where people were debating the magic bullet theory and tried to tell everyone that he was actually killed by a knife as opposed to a bullet. We could all agree he was dead, but there would be a debate as to how. Naturally people would be passionate in their attempts to convince me otherwise. Imagine if I continued to reject the evidence of how he was killed over and over again. People could tell me that they found the bullet and I wouldnt accept it. People could tell me I could watch a video and I wouldnt accept it. People could tell me that they had caught the guy who did it and I still wouldnt accept it. How do you think the conversation would progress?
The evidence support evolution is literally just as strong.
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Why Evolution Should Be Taught
by hamilcarr inwhy evolutionary biology is a crucial part of the curriculum .... .
optimism in evolution.
by olivia judsonlondon.
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maximumtool
JG,
I have got to tell you, sincerely, the tone of your posts is very inconsistent.
You talk about atheists on this board and their attempts to convert you, but I think that they are only responding to the tone of your initial posts. I read this thread from beginning to end, and have read your other posts in the past, and for someone who doesnt "care" about evolution you sure dont mind giving your opinion on it and what should and shouldnt be taught to children in class! And also, your posts reflect that you really dont know what evolution is. And from that, I can actually see where you are coming from. If evolution is what you think it is, then I wouldnt believe it either.
Let me ask you this, do you have any problem with Physics classes? Or archealogy? Because what is learned in those classes is also going to directly contradict what someone would literally interpret from the bible.
And you can rest easy, no one in a biology class is going to teach that we came from "apes, fish, ameoba or anything else". What they are going to teach is that we, and all organisms on Earth, biologically diversify ourselves on a populational level due to pressures in our environment, and if we as species dont do that we go extinct. Its really that simple. And regardless of what creationists want to think, the evidence that this is exactly what is going on is 100% overwhelming. And I say this to you as a former creationist who was far more adamant then you have been here in this thread.
Why would it take God himself to tell you evolution was true just so you would believe it? Just because you have chosen to interpret the creation record in Genesis literally?