Posts by hawkaw

Read Hoeffels' letter and the WTS response which admits they did partner - they just admit for other reasons that you cited (ie. library card) without thinking of what they wrote in 1991 and 1976 and without thinking that the criteria had been established back in 1968 by ECOSOC.

hawk

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United Nations Press Release!!! (???)

by Frannie Banannie in

anyone heard about this un press release???

is this for real?

http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2004/1/emw100794.htm.

hawkaw

Utter B.S. and a big time lie by omission

Lets looks at this quote from here http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/27169/1.ashx :

Watchtower magazine of June 1, 1991 pages 15-20 Their Refuge-A Lie!

10 However, she has not done so. Instead, in her quest for peace and security, she insinuates herself into the favor of the political leaders of the nationsthis despite the Bibles warning that friendship with the world is enmity with God. (James 4:4) Moreover, in 1919 she strongly advocated the League of Nations as mans best hope for peace. Since 1945 she has put her hope in the United Nations. (Compare Revelation 17:3, 11.) How extensive is her involvement with this organization?
11 A recent book gives an idea when it states: No less than twenty-four Catholic organizations are represented at the UN. Several of the worlds religious leaders have visited the international organization. Most memorable were the visits of His Holiness Pope Paul VI during the General Assembly in 1965 and of Pope John Paul II in 1979. Many religions have special invocations, prayers, hymns and services for the United Nations. The most important examples are those of the Catholic, the Unitarian-Universalist, the Baptist and the Bahai faiths.

Mad Apostate found the quote in paragraph 11 in "Prayer And Meditation At The United Nations"-- Robert Muller "

"Prayer, meditation and spirituality at the UN are fascinating subjects. All major world religions are accredited to the United Nations as non-governmental organizations. For example, no less than twenty-four Catholic organizations are represented at the UN. Several of the world's religious leaders have visited the international organization. Most memorable were the visits of His Holiness Pope Paul VI during the General Assembly in 1965 and of Pope John Paul II in 1979. Many religions have special invocations, prayers, hymns and services for the United Nations. The most important examples are those of the Catholic, the Unitarian-Universalist, the Baptist and the Bahai faiths. It is a common practice of the Unitarian-Universalists to display the United Nations flag in their houses of worship. So does the Holy Family Church, the parish church of the UN, with its international reliquary and its many religious services and activities catering to world peace and to the international community.

This was a great find by Mad Apostate. The title of the book is "New Genesis, Shaping a Global Spirituality" (ISBN # 1-680465-04-3), Garden City, New York, Doubleday, Image Books, 1982, 1984. The Muller article ("Prayer And Meditation At The United Nations") is found in Part 1, Chapter 6, pages 45 to 49 of the Book. Note the quote found in the June 1, 1991 Watchtower article is at the start of the Muller essay on page 45, paragraph 1.

Mad Apostate stated the following with respect to this issue:

This "Study Article", published in the June 1, 1991 issue, would have come out at almost the exact same time they were putting together the Application for NGO affiliation, which was approved in (July?) 1992.
Read the article carefully, and then explain why this sentence was left out of the quote: "All major world religions are accredited to the United Nations as non-governmental organizations."
Would not this sentence actually make the quote (thus the point) even stronger?
It's exclusion can only be interpreted as intentional, and if so, WHY???
The editor(s) knew that they too were seeking the exact same relationship with the U.N.!!!

Now Lets look at this quote from the Watchtower magazine76/12/1 711 Can an Image Bring Peace and Security? :

The WT of 1976 was also just as clear. Here - let me restate the key portions from the 1976 article for you:

... Do they act like the harlot, "Babylon the Great"?....
... Sixteen Catholic international organizations contribute formally to the work of ECOSOC and various Specialized Agencies through the medium of consultative status with these bodies, and Catholic groups and individuals in various countries contribute to the formation of national policy and action with regard to the UN.??Vol. 14, p. 423.
Will all such friendliness with the world be of real benefit to any religious system? No, the Bible declares that ?Babylon the Great,? the harlotrous religious empire, will experience a great shock. Revelation 17:16 says: ?The ten horns that you saw, and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire.?
So there is real danger in becoming involved with the ?scarlet-colored wild beast.? Never will it bring real peace and security ....
... For that reason those who join in any U.N. cry of ?Peace and security!? face disaster, even if they are not in sympathy with ?Babylon the Great.?
Are you acting in harmony with this advance knowledge? Have you separated yourself from the world?s ways, attitudes and actions?...

Clearly being like one of the 16 NGOs would be considered by the 1976 Watchtower as becoming involved with the beast - and that was and still is a big time no no.

Now lets look at this from Hooberus http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/55894/1.ashx:

Watchtower 1976 10/15 632-6

The "mark" of the beast would identify the one having it as belonging to that "wild beast," giving it full support. Ellicott's Bible Commentary notes that the mark 'surely means the acquiescence to the principals of this tyrannical world-power.'

In modern times, the Christain body, known world wide as Jehovah's Witnesses, has experienced from the "wild beast" the same things as first-century Christians. Take the African county of Malawi, for example. There all citizens have been required to become members of the country's only existing political party, the "Malawi Congress Party." A membership card costing about twenty-five cents (U.S.) identifies the bearer as 'acquiescing to the principals of the ruling political party,' . . .

As Jehovah's Witnesses they value their relationship to God and Christ above everything else. Were they to identify themselves as giving unquestioning support to any politcal arrangement, they would be acting contrary to the Bible's teaching that all human governmental systems exist by God's toleration only until such time as he chooses to replace them by his kingdom in the hands of Jesus Christ. (Dan. 2:44; 7:13, 14) Jehovah's Witnesses have promised to give unqualified allegiance exclusively to God and Christ. Any act on their part that would indicate otherwise, therefore, would be an act of disloyalty. Such an act would be taking away from God and Christ their rightful due and would be worship fo the "wild beast."

No matter how insignificant the act required may seem, a Christian's engaging in such worship would mean his being disloyal to God and Christ.

Comments: In order to get the insignificant twenty-five cent Malawi poltical card an applicant would be 'acquiescing to the principals of the ruling polital party" they would by receiving this card act be taking the mark of the beast, because in order to get the card they would have to indicate that they support and acquiescing to the principals of the political entity.

The Watchtower in order to receive their "card" had to register as an NGO and agree to:

a) The NGO must support and respect the principles of the Charter of the United Nations;

Finally lets look at the letter from Paul Hoeffel of the UN and Steve Bates Tablet articles where the WTS voluntarily agreed to support a UN Charter that allows for war under Chapter 7 (which is a disfellowshipping/disassociating offence - http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/chapter7.htm

http://www.thetablet.co.uk/cgi-bin/archive_db.cgi?tablet-00577

http://www.randytv.com/secret/unfax.jpg

Conclusion:

The WTSB&TS is still presently an NGO and it was "accredited" between Feb. 14, 1992 until October 9, 2001 with the United Nations' Department of Public Information. Thus, as per the 1991and 1976 Watchtower magazines, the WTS was practicing in the same way as all the rest of false religion.

Enough said

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CBC UPDATE SHOW ON JW SEXUAL ABUSE - WED. FEB 25/04

by hawkaw in

jw
friends

after the cameras went away

(http://www.cbc.ca/fifth )

wednesday, february 25 at 9p.m.

hawkaw

AFTER THE CAMERAS WENT AWAY (http://www.cbc.ca/fifth )

Wednesday, February 25 at 9p.m. on CBC-TV

All times are Eastern Standard Time. See right for program information.

What happens to the people we meet in the course of producing our stories after the television cameras go away? Last season, the fifth estate re-visited just a few to see how their lives have changed since we last saw them. The result was so interesting and so popular that we're doing it again this year.

Linden MacIntyre returns to Saskatchewan to talk to the central figure in our story The Scandal of the Century. In 1985, Hana Gartner met a fourteen year old whiz kid who said he wanted to win a Nobel Prize. Find out what he's doing now. And Bob McKeown re-introduces us to a young woman, a victim of childhood sexual abuse, whose life has taken an amazing turn.

If memory serves me, one of the Berry sisters from New Hampshire will be shown (for about 10 to 20 minutes) since the last CBC update talked about Vicki's case and of course Mike Moss. Also I think the Berry girls lawsuit case is on appeal right now. It won summary judgement with respect to common law negligence (ie. the ladies had the right to sue the WTS for not reporting) but the judge decided to rule against his own state law and allowed the WTS to hide behind ecclesiastical (clerical) privilege to not testify. Thus, the civil case against the WTS for the moment is on appeal. Paul Berry, the child molester, still has about 45 years left in jail for what he did all the while he is still considered a member in good standing.

CBC-TV Main Network: Wednesdays at 9:00 p.m.

CBC Newsworld:

Tuesdays at 10:00 p.m., Wednesdays at 1:00 a.m.

Saturdays at 8:00 a.m., Sundays at 2:00 a.m.

All times are Eastern Standard Time.

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United Nations Press Release!!! (???)

by Frannie Banannie in

anyone heard about this un press release???

is this for real?

http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2004/1/emw100794.htm.

hawkaw

What the hell was that?

If members in the WTS are not trying to make any politicial in roads etc. then why in the hell did the WTS voluntarily agree to support the UN Charter, which allows for war?

Clearly the 1991 WT rag shows that only false religion allows for their NGOs to partner with the beast. That's what the leadership stated, Plain and simple. And it is a violation for a true "Christian: subject to marking or disfellowshipping.

For you to come on this board and provide misleading information without any factual back up is disgusting.

hawk

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The Faithful & discreet slave according to the WTS - a slip?

by ozziepost in

a basic teaching of the wts is that the "faithful and discreet slave" of matthew 24:43,44 is representative of a class of people, namely "anointed" jehovah?s witnesses.

this would mean that this alone of all the parables is a prophecy, foretelling the appearance of an association of people who would be granted authority over the lord?s earthly interests.

there have been many articles and publications over the years where the wts has sought to explain this teaching.

hawkaw

A basic teaching of the WTS is that the "faithful and discreet slave" of Matthew 24:43,44 is representative of a class of people, namely "anointed" Jehovah?s Witnesses.

hmm.... I'm confused. I thought the FDS crap was supposedly found in the question of 24:45 and then bolstered with the slightly changed words ("having come" changed to "arrived" or "arriving") found in 24:46. I thought 43 and 44 were taught (for the last few years) as still waiting for the visible "dude" to come and 45 and 46 were taught as if the dude was here but invisible of course.

On a side line, as a non witness I just keep breaking out laughing everytime I combine about line 40 to line 47 in 24 and note where the little footnote in 46 takes me in the Book of Revelation.

hawk

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Another Abuse Case Involving a Jehovah's Witness in California

by Kenneson in

see "suit accuses church official of abuse.

4 say jehovah's witness church hid crime; man a convicted child molester" at.

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/local/news/19jehovah.html

hawkaw

Hey did somebody on the left coast just eat JR Brown?

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Another Abuse Case Involving a Jehovah's Witness in California

by Kenneson in

see "suit accuses church official of abuse.

4 say jehovah's witness church hid crime; man a convicted child molester" at.

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/local/news/19jehovah.html

hawkaw

I hope Counsel also used the "tort of negligent hiring and supervision" seeing we are dealing with an actual "agent" of the organization who must be approved by the organization (not just the congregation) to obtain the position of Ministerial Sevant.

Go get them Kim!!!!!!

You Rock!

hawk

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