Posts by hawkaw

there are a couple of books i would love to get a hold of - or at least scans of a couple of pages sent to me.. is there a turorial or primer out there on how to go about doing this?

or can someone point me to some help sections on their respective websites on how to do this?.

hawkaw

Send me a PM with the book you are looking for and the nearest big city that is close to you.

I will send you a PM back either tomorrow or the next day with the steps on how to go about ordering the book.

later

hawk

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(JW) Molester on the run!

by AntiPode in

here's his wanted poster: .

http://www.usmarshals.gov/district/ca-s/fugitives/pdf/fm.pdf.

he's all over our local news channels this very moment, being sought by the authorities.

hawkaw

The more I have kept up on this thread, the more I say there is a huge story here.

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14 YEAR OLD JW GIRL ORDERED BACK TO BRITISH COLUMBIA

by SHUNNED FATHER in

i was interviewed on ctv national news and it was aired tuesday night and wednesday morning.. there are a few video clips .

lawrence the web ctv.ca .

home.

hawkaw

Whatever I was going to say seems insignificant compared to the personal accounts of Gary, Rabbit, Java and delila that are written above. I think you have provided the eloquent answer.....

Yep. Gary and Lawrence: the stories are painful to read and no doubt must be tough to even write. But thank you for those words. Your real life experiences show the world that this leadership has actually affected the health and safety of so many lives ... I have not talked too much to Lawrence lately but I still remember those March conversations with him in 2002. Those were the days when he was just starting to figure it all out and starting to meet people around here. It is so tragic that this group had to get in the way of his family's medical emergency and loss. I had really hoped that the treatment would have worked. I hope this BC youngester will start to face this serious danger head on and start to focus on winning this disease instead of refusing a blood transfusion that she may never need anyway. Shane Brady and all his little HLC Elder friends should move on or into jail. hawk

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(JW) Molester on the run!

by AntiPode in

here's his wanted poster: .

http://www.usmarshals.gov/district/ca-s/fugitives/pdf/fm.pdf.

he's all over our local news channels this very moment, being sought by the authorities.

hawkaw

It is my understanding from Bill that this individual was disfellowshiped some time ago.

Now what does concern me is the large number of apparent illegal actions this person has done and I wonder if this individual, during his time as a JW, was actually covered for by the JW elders and the WTS.

If it is determined that the Elders were aware of the accusations so that law enforcement could have caught this dude some time ago if only a JW elder came forward, then I say all hell is going to break loose in JW land in Kalifornia.

hawk

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B.C. Jehovah's Witness family seen in Toronto

by Quotes in

(my apologies if this has already been mentioned, i looked around and didn't see it).

jehovah's witness family seen in toronto.

jehovah's witness girl who's fighting a blood transfusion order will appear in an ontario court on tuesday.

hawkaw

I would be interested to know if that "medical centre in New York" has an address 25 Columbia Heights, Brooklyn. At the very least, it would interesting to see if it is entirely or partially funded by WTS money.

LOL!!! God damn I'm on the floor here rolling around. Too funny.

Seriously - the interesting part about all this is that in BC, like in Ontario, the Doctors are not going to give her a transfusion unless she absolutely needs it.

In other words the Court is not ordering her to have a blood transfusion right now. Its order only deals with a "life saving" transfusion if her red blood cells get to low during the chemo treatment and the Doctors need to give her the blood to save her life.

To this day I wonder if this girl realizes she can have a whole allogeneic (from the blood of others) blood transfusion if all the blood is fractionated out to the Watchtower's own rules and then given to her in separate tubes all at the same time. I also wonder if she realizes that whole blood transfusions are allowed by the WTS such as intraoperative autotransfusions.

If she is presented this evidence in a very quiet and questioning way, I wonder just what might happen since AJWRB says a large majority of JWs will infact accept blood when a private and confidential presentation is made to them.

hawk

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Barb Anderson's Court Hearing Update

by AndersonsInfo in

greetings from tennessee.

thank you for your inquiries regarding the barbara anderson vs. watchtower tennessee appellate court hearing, which took place on thursday, april 14, 2005. accompanied by steve and joy imhof, from panama city beach, florida, and our attorney, jerre hood, from winchester, tennessee, we drove to nashville to attend the 1:00 p.m. scheduled appellate hearing.

this hearing was requested last year by defendants in the case, and they are: the numerous corporations of watchtower bible and tract society; watchtower spokespersons, j. r. brown, and david semonian, and certain elders of the manchester, tn congregation of jws.

hawkaw

Gee, I just got through reading Joker 10's comments and I think there was another poster whose name has escaped me.

.... sigh ....

Quite frankly I was thrilled that Bill came to support the Andersons and I have no problems with what he did. Between the two of them they have inoculated millions and millions of people against this group's leadership - a leadership who would rather support the pedophile than protect their own children. They have also helped thousands stand up and find their voice. And they did something else ... they got lawyers interested to help get some restitution for the survivors and to force the policies to change.

One only needs to read this little gem of a thread .. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/86969/1.ashx ... to get a sense of how disgusting the Elders and the Watch Tower counsel can still be to protect their JW perverts from the police so that they keep their congregations clean. Hiding the file from the cops in this case by sending it to Bethel in Ontario was about as low as you can go.

As far as I am concerned Mr. Bowen should be attending everyone of these Court hearings.

hawk

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B.C. Jehovah's Witness family seen in Toronto

by Quotes in

(my apologies if this has already been mentioned, i looked around and didn't see it).

jehovah's witness family seen in toronto.

jehovah's witness girl who's fighting a blood transfusion order will appear in an ontario court on tuesday.

hawkaw

Hey buddy I assume you saw this plastered all over the TV last night. Here is a sample.

TORONTO (CP) - A British Columbia teenager being treated for cancer will be forced to undergo blood transfusions if her doctors decide she needs them to survive, despite her protests that transfusions violate her faith as a Jehovah's Witness. The 14-year-old girl who fled to Ontario with her parents wept as Superior Court Justice Victor Paisley ordered her back to her home province.

"This is a matter of patient choice," Shane Brady, the girl's lawyer, told reporters outside the courthouse.

"Then to be denied that choice and be told, 'Look, you got to go back to British Columbia to be treated by a doctor that you've lost trust in' - that's difficult for anybody of any age to stomach."

Paisley said he did not find any fault with B.C. Justice Mary Boyd's April 11 decision that ruled the girl could not refuse transfusions if doctors deem them medically necessary because she is a minor.

"The wishes of the parents and the child have been heard," Paisley told the court.

"But the decision of this court . . . is to follow the appropriate medical advice of whom she turned to in the first instance."

Shortly after Paisley rendered his decision, police escorted the girl along with her mother and father out of the courthouse. The teenager's identity is protected by a court order.

Arrangements for her return will be made as soon as Ontario and B.C. doctors have cleared her for travel. She was supposed to resume chemotherapy treatment Tuesday.

Jeremy Berland, assistant deputy minister of children and family development for B.C., said ministry staff would help with the return process.

"We will try to make the next step as easy as possible for her, but clearly we've got to move," Berland told reporters.

"The window is not that wide open. We need to be able to start treatment as soon as the medical experts tell us it's appropriate to do so."

The girl had a cancerous tumour removed from her right leg at B.C. Children's Hospital and underwent three months of chemotherapy without transfusions.

Such therapy can inhibit production of blood cells, and doctors sought authority to give her transfusions if warranted.

The girl and her family had wanted to seek cancer care at a children's medical centre in New York with doctors experienced in providing cancer treatment without blood transfusions. But her doctor in B.C. said she should undergo transfusions if they were necessary for her survival.

Brady said doctors from the New York facility were ready to testify on the girl's behalf, but Paisley ruled their evidence would not be necessary.

"Like every other Canadian, she was seeking a second opinion," Brady said, adding that their motive for going to Ontario was misrepresented.

"(The family) did not come to Ontario to flee jurisdiction."

Brady said while an appeal could still be launched, the girl will co-operate with the court's decision.

Brady, who has been involved in similar disputes on behalf of church members, has said the B.C. government's claims that she needs transfusions urgently are unfounded.

Berland disagreed, saying it was ill-advised for the family to leave the province in the first place.

"It's very unfortunate that families feel they need to flee a jurisdiction," Berland said.

"I don't think that it's helpful in the long-term to try to continually look for a different answer. The answer was fairly clear and the answer was in B.C."

Jehovah's Witnesses believe that blood is a sacred source of life not to be misused or tampered with under any circumstance.

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Ontario judge orders B.C. girl to go home

Last Updated Wed, 04 May 2005 05:57:50 EDT CBC News

TORONTO - An Ontario judge has ordered a 14-year-old B.C. girl, who says her religion forbids blood transfusions, to return home from Toronto immediately.

The teen, a Jehovah's Witness, has cancer. Her treatment may require transfusions.

A B.C. judge ruled on April 11 that because of her age, she can't refuse transfusions if doctors determine they are medically necessary.

On Tuesday, Justice Victor Paisley of Ontario Superior Court backed the B.C. decision.

The girl and her parents are expected to return to B.C. with a social worker as soon as possible.

The teen, whose name cannot be published, went to Toronto 10 days ago to seek a second opinion on her condition.

She and her family want to go to a medical centre in New York that offers cancer treatment without blood transfusions.

She had a cancerous tumour removed from her right leg and underwent chemotherapy at B.C.'s Children's Hospital.

Doctors at the hospital say the chemotherapy treatments can inhibit the growth of blood cells and that she may need a transfusion.

In a statement issued before the ruling, the family's lawyer said that claims that the girl needs urgent medical care are unfounded.

"The actions of the B.C. officials have now forced the family into Ontario courts," said Shane Brady.

Brady said the case is not about religion, but is about "the right of a capable person to decide what happens to their body."

"The courts in British Columbia have both found that the young woman is capable of deciding her medical treatment," he said. "So the question really is: When it comes to medical treatment, then who should decide: the state, the doctor, or the capable patient?"

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Barb Anderson's Court Hearing Update

by AndersonsInfo in

greetings from tennessee.

thank you for your inquiries regarding the barbara anderson vs. watchtower tennessee appellate court hearing, which took place on thursday, april 14, 2005. accompanied by steve and joy imhof, from panama city beach, florida, and our attorney, jerre hood, from winchester, tennessee, we drove to nashville to attend the 1:00 p.m. scheduled appellate hearing.

this hearing was requested last year by defendants in the case, and they are: the numerous corporations of watchtower bible and tract society; watchtower spokespersons, j. r. brown, and david semonian, and certain elders of the manchester, tn congregation of jws.

hawkaw

No problem.

Here is the link for the NH supreme court if you are waiting for the Berry decision - which by the way is over due and past the Court's guideline average for rendering decisions!

http://www.courts.state.nh.us/supreme/opinions/index.htm