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22Watchtower allows Banned Red Blood Cell Transfers in Liver Transplants?
by hawkaw ini urge you to read and research this further.. http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/files/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c1.pdf.
http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/files/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c2.pdf.
http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/files/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c3.pdf.
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MCLEANS SEXTUPLETS AND BLOOD ARTICLE - SCANNED COPY FOR YOU
by hawkaw inplease just add an http:// at the beginning of all of these urls, then copy to your browser address area and click away.. i really didn't like to read about how the jws won all these court decisions on freedom when they don't even let their members be free but still the article is balanced enough to leave a serious indent on the side of shane's head.. hawkawl.freeservers.com/mclean's%20cover.jpg.
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hawkaw
Does the Watchtower allow Red Blood Cell transfers with organ transplants?
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/16/129840/1.ashx
Have a look and do some further research
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MCLEANS SEXTUPLETS AND BLOOD ARTICLE - SCANNED COPY FOR YOU
by hawkaw inplease just add an http:// at the beginning of all of these urls, then copy to your browser address area and click away.. i really didn't like to read about how the jws won all these court decisions on freedom when they don't even let their members be free but still the article is balanced enough to leave a serious indent on the side of shane's head.. hawkawl.freeservers.com/mclean's%20cover.jpg.
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hawkaw
Without the documents I can't really say. I can only speculate that it was the Ministry who took them with an ex parte (no party allowed to appeal) order from the court or an order under their statute.
If I get a free second I will look up what is on the Court's site.
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Watchtower allows Banned Red Blood Cell Transfers in Liver Transplants?
by hawkaw ini urge you to read and research this further.. http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/files/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c1.pdf.
http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/files/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c2.pdf.
http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/files/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c3.pdf.
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hawkaw
Red Blood Cells in Transplanted Livers.
Generally donor livers are washed and undergo cold storage (CS) perfusion (injection) preservation usually using University of Wisconsin solution (UW). The idea is to remove blood and preserve the organ for movement and transplantation.
A tyical research model has found that in the micro-vascular area of the liver (where the sinusoid or capillary area is located) there are about 2 billion sinusoids or capillaries. These sinusoids are connected to tens of thousands of artery and vein branches. These sinusoids are extremely small with a modeled radius of about 0.000004 metres. The sinusoids are the end of the road of the blood vessels in the liver and transfer the oxygen and other nutrients that have come through the blood vessel system to the liver. These sinusoids contain blood and are very difficult to clean at the best of times for transplantation purposes.
The research finds the UW solution typically has a hydroxyethyl starch (HES). Studies have found that the UW solution with the HES causes erythrocyte (red blood cell) aggregation (sludging or clogging) in the sinusoids of the liver during preservation. These red blood cells are in the liver after the cleaning of the organ.
Upon transplantation and reperfusion (restoration of blood flow to the organ) ischemia injury to the cells of the sinusoids walls can occur in a percentage of patients due to remaining red blood cell aggregation thus causing problems with and even rejection of the new donor organ.
Research suggests a lower molecular weight HES will reduce this injury as it reduces the amount of remaining red blood cell aggregation.
The point of all of this scientific research is that even though most of the blood is cleaned out of the organ (liver), red blood cells (erythrocytes) from the host donor remain in the sinusoid area and are transferred with the host organ (in this case the liver) to the transplant patient.
I note liver transplants and other organ transplants except certain blood product transfusions have been approved by the leadership since 1980 and I think in some cases even promoted.
The Jehovah’s Witnesses’ leadership has a Hospital Information Service (HIS) in Canada and the United States. Staff at the HIS is constantly reviewing medical and scientific magazines and journals. Obviously these men knew about this red blood cell transfer with liver transplants and have been letting this quietly go since 1980.Why hasn't the Watchtower leadership disclosed this information to Jehovah's Witness parents who are about to put their children in harms way of not receiving a life sustaining red blood cell transfusion?
So how is it that red blood cell transfers are not allowed by the leadership for a typical red blood cell transfusion but red blood cell transfers are allowed by the leadership for a typical liver and other organ transplant?
Where in the Bible does it say you are not allowed to have red blood cells transferred through a blood bank process but you are allowed to have donated red blood cells transferred through a donated liver or other organ transplant?Why is it JWs who need to be saved from a serious trauma are banned by the leadership from a red blood cell transfer but JWs who need a donated liver or other organ transfer to be saved are allowed to have donated red blood cells in the organ?
I urge you to read and research this further.
http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/FILES/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c1.pdf
http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/FILES/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c2.pdf
http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/FILES/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c3.pdf
http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/FILES/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c4.pdf
http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/FILES/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c5.pdf
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MCLEANS SEXTUPLETS AND BLOOD ARTICLE - SCANNED COPY FOR YOU
by hawkaw inplease just add an http:// at the beginning of all of these urls, then copy to your browser address area and click away.. i really didn't like to read about how the jws won all these court decisions on freedom when they don't even let their members be free but still the article is balanced enough to leave a serious indent on the side of shane's head.. hawkawl.freeservers.com/mclean's%20cover.jpg.
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hawkaw
UPDATE - pdf copy here:
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MCLEANS SEXTUPLETS AND BLOOD ARTICLE - SCANNED COPY FOR YOU
by hawkaw inplease just add an http:// at the beginning of all of these urls, then copy to your browser address area and click away.. i really didn't like to read about how the jws won all these court decisions on freedom when they don't even let their members be free but still the article is balanced enough to leave a serious indent on the side of shane's head.. hawkawl.freeservers.com/mclean's%20cover.jpg.
hawkawl.freeservers.com/mcleans%20page%2034.jpg.
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hawkaw
Thanks Danny.
hawk
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WBTS compromised blood issue in other nations...is this true? got any info?
by Caine injust wondering if this was true that sometimes the wtbs was letting the blood issue ba a non-issue.
anybody have any info?
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MCLEANS SEXTUPLETS AND BLOOD ARTICLE - SCANNED COPY FOR YOU
by hawkaw inplease just add an http:// at the beginning of all of these urls, then copy to your browser address area and click away.. i really didn't like to read about how the jws won all these court decisions on freedom when they don't even let their members be free but still the article is balanced enough to leave a serious indent on the side of shane's head.. hawkawl.freeservers.com/mclean's%20cover.jpg.
hawkawl.freeservers.com/mcleans%20page%2034.jpg.
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hawkaw
I will prefer this thread on page 1 for the lurkers.
You can't ask for a better article than what MacLeans did here.
BTTT
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MCLEANS SEXTUPLETS AND BLOOD ARTICLE - SCANNED COPY FOR YOU
by hawkaw inplease just add an http:// at the beginning of all of these urls, then copy to your browser address area and click away.. i really didn't like to read about how the jws won all these court decisions on freedom when they don't even let their members be free but still the article is balanced enough to leave a serious indent on the side of shane's head.. hawkawl.freeservers.com/mclean's%20cover.jpg.
hawkawl.freeservers.com/mcleans%20page%2034.jpg.
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hawkaw
Hey Scully and skeeter1,
I would expect the premies were having this technique done to them since it is a recommended guideline to follow. Someone should ask the Ministry's legal counsel if the WTS and family objected to this blood sample technique.
It would seem to me that if the family and Shane Brady allowed this technique which was banned by the leadership but then wanted other procedures stopped, we might be able to really put a hole in some of the WTS's arguments.
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MCLEANS SEXTUPLETS AND BLOOD ARTICLE - SCANNED COPY FOR YOU
by hawkaw inplease just add an http:// at the beginning of all of these urls, then copy to your browser address area and click away.. i really didn't like to read about how the jws won all these court decisions on freedom when they don't even let their members be free but still the article is balanced enough to leave a serious indent on the side of shane's head.. hawkawl.freeservers.com/mclean's%20cover.jpg.
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hawkaw
I read the following:
"The more i read into the work of the Witnesses the more i feel it is truly sent by the Lord. The role these people have played in revolutionizing the surgical industry and saving lives is unparalleled. Once these alternative blood sciences are perfected it will be one of the greatest breakthroughs in medical history and IMHO will save countless lives. …."
I also read:
“I'm willing to bet 99% of the people that died from supposedly not receiving them, due to there faith, would have died anyway....I know if the only thing keeping me alive was countless blood transfusions i would rather be dead anyway...who would want to live a life in that much pain just barely hanging on.”
Though in many cases a blood transfusion may be unnecessary to protect a patient’s health or life, there are cases where it is essential because of limited medical options or presentation (ie. serious trauma). Ask any medical doctor. No one wants a therapy or a procedure just because it sounds great. The medical and scientific information has shown that lives can be sustained and premature death can be avoided when blood or substances of blood are used properly. This has been demonstrated time and time in many trauma cases and cancer cases.
Just as with organ donation therapy and procedures, other techniques in blood medicine are being made and improved to reduce one's risk to injury or possible death from the procedure.
It should be clear that with any therapy, a person must make an informed choice to determine whether the therapy will or will not work. This is not the case with Jehovah’s Witness patients who are subject to severe shunning and loss of God if they do not follow the leadership’s direction and subject to scare tactics that blood is dangerous.
The leadership now promotes vaccinations which contain substances of blood, serums which contain substances of blood, breast feeding where supposed banned white blood cells transfer between mother to child and organ transplants which also contain some of the donor’s blood. All of these procedures carry a risk to injury and in fact the risk of premature death from an organ transplant is significantly higher than that of stored and donated blood.
The leadership (and as it seems Mr. Cauthorn) forgets that the clotting substance in blood called Factor XIII and made from 2,500 litres of donated and stored blood was approved by the leadership in the 1970s for hemophiliacs. This was at the height of the AIDs crisis in the blood supply and thus, unlike what some suggest, the leadership offered no protection to its hemophiliac followers during these times. It wasn't until government oversight investigated the people in charge, charged and convicted these people for not properly testing the blood and created new testing and oversight methods were hemophiliacs protected.
It is interesting listening to Witnesses such as Mr. Cauthorn tout and promote bloodless surgery. One bloodless surgery technique involves having your own blood stored and then transfused back into you at a later time – this bloodless technique is actually banned by the leadership.
Bloodless proedures do involve techniques such as cell saver machines (intraoperative autologous transfusions) and hemodilution. These techniques are presently allowed by the leadership and even promoted as shown by Mr. Cauthorn. Yet both hemodilution and cell savers are actually blood transfusions of one’s own blood. The only difference is the blood outside the body is connected to a machine via a tube. There is no section in the Bible where it states blood outside of the body is okay as long as a medium called a polyethylene plastic tube is connected from human to machine and surrounds the blood from the atmosphere.
Also it appears Mr. Cauthorn forgot to say that both these two approved bloodless techniques were actually banned by the leadership until 1982 for hemodilution (June 22, 1982 Awake! magazine) and 1989 for cell savage machines (March 1, 1989 Watchtower).
As can be seen from a historical review, the leadership has completely changed course on so-called bloodless surgery techniques just as they have for organ transplants, vaccinations, substances of blood such as Factor VIII, albumin and globulins and recently the substance of blood called haemoglobin.
An absence of sound objective reasoning and lack of full disclosure exist in this leadership’s doctrine that prohibits the free choice of certain medical treatments.
As I said previously, the leadership martyred 26 innocent little children on the front cover of their May 22, 1994 Awake! magazine. This martyring especially of innocent little children needs to stop until full disclosure and sound reasoning are provided and shunning/peer pressure are eliminated.