Candlelight- ask a Rabbi about Adam and Eve then rethink your assumptions.
Morning Designs,
I have no need to consult a Rabbi. :-)
Aguest. I liked you part about tilling his own Garden. Pretty much what father told him to do isn't it? He wanted the knowledge, well ok, you now have what you want, unfortunatly you are not a gardener and nothing will grow. ;-)
peace
CL
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No Need For EdenTree Unless God Knew An Angle was...
by Sayswho inno need for eden tree unless god knew an angle was...going to try and foil his purpose for other life forms.this has always not added up for me.
there is really no reason for the tree (s) unless god knew that he had angles that were already bad in their 'hearts'.
so the questions i have on this are.... were the angles tested to see if they would remain faithful?were humans created to be the test for the angles?was it was 'fair' to have spirit creatures (millions of years old?
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No Need For EdenTree Unless God Knew An Angle was...
by Sayswho inno need for eden tree unless god knew an angle was...going to try and foil his purpose for other life forms.this has always not added up for me.
there is really no reason for the tree (s) unless god knew that he had angles that were already bad in their 'hearts'.
so the questions i have on this are.... were the angles tested to see if they would remain faithful?were humans created to be the test for the angles?was it was 'fair' to have spirit creatures (millions of years old?
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CandleLight
Adam and Eve were in a special position with their Father. He however would not force them to stay there. No one who truly understands love, would force someone they love to stay, but instead would leave open a choice.
Adam and Eve made it clear they no longer wanted that bond, by eating of the fruit.
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CandleLight
I am working back from a stress fracture so my schedule right now is:
Run 4 times a week, progressive miles.
Elliptical three times a week.
Strength training 1 X week.
I am a runner so my training pretty much centers around that... I joined a gym to have more access to equipment, but I prefer being outside, which is about to get chilly being in Kansas and all..
What's your favorite equipment at the gym?
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I've Just Figured Out the Appeal of Sarah Palin!!
by AGuest inshe doesn't pronounce her "g'"s on the end of the words that end in "ing"!!!!
so, she's... cool!
hip!
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CandleLight
My husband enjoys watching Sarah Palin.. but only on mute.
:-)
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November is National Novel Writing Month
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Jeff and Tammy,
I am registered as LLHoover. I added you as writing buddies. :-)
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Not surprisingly, the rumor mill has started...
by SweetBabyCheezits inmy wife and i have not even been df'd for a week and an old friend on fb (an inactive jw who has active jw friends who used to be friends of mine) says there's a rumor going around that i'm gay.
wow.
really jws?
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CandleLight
I think they count on rumors. Especially since the announcment changes. It is so basic that they need the rumors to go around so that they can discredit the individual involved, especially when the person if DF for apostacy.
We started our own religion, had marital problems, went crazy, cut off association with my parents (thats a funny one, since it's completely the opposite) and tried to attack the KH and the elders, (we were actually barred from entering.) There are so many rumors out there I wonder which one people pick to believe.
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Favorite Quotes
by brotherdan inwe all talk about the negatives about the ugly face of the watchtower that i thought i would start a 'happy' thread.. what are some of your favorite non-wt quotes?.
here's a good one to start:.
you cannot be, i know, nor do i wish to see you, an inactive spectator.
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"You can't be mad at God, and not believe he exists at the same time."
"Don't render the sword of truth ineffective, by weilding it with frustration or harshness."God speaks in the silence of the heart. Listening is the beginning of prayer. ~Mother Teresa
SBC, Love Mark Twain."Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't." — Mark Twain.
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Are you interested in Bible Congruence?
by sabastious indoes the bible have to agree with itself for it to have lasting value?.
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Are you afraid of the Ouija board still?
by cyberjesus indo you think it has superpowers?
who controlls it?
satan?
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CandleLight
Thank you Tammy, I'm glad you could identify with it.
Also thanks for sharing your experience, I know that is difficult. Your honesty was very apparent.
Blessing
CL
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Are you afraid of the Ouija board still?
by cyberjesus indo you think it has superpowers?
who controlls it?
satan?
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CandleLight
I agree with some of the reasoning in your post (the uknown), partially, CL, but I beg you to reconsider the logic above. Please just go with me on this...
- Each of us currently lacks belief in an infinite number of real and imaginary things. That is how we start life. Lack of belief is neutral ground. It's only as you grow and learn that you build your perception of the existence of other beings.
- Your previously neutral lack of belief in the spirit realm was filled in when you adopted (or were fed) a new perception as a child.... of god, satan, angels, and demons, correct?
- That perception was built upon yet another set of presuppositions: that the Bible is the word of God, infallible perhaps, and that Mom & Dad, and the Society, were instructing you properly from it.
- Now to accurately assess things you must clear out the bias and presupposition that was placed there early in life.
I started the same way as you but in recent years realized that many concepts in the ol' dome were based on a faulty foundation. I peeled away layer after layer of presupposition until I got back to a lack of belief in the spirit realm.
Hey SBC,
Interesting thoughts. Ok, looking at it through you view, I can see how you feel disbelief is viewed as neutral ground. Not too sure I agree there however. I don't feel we are as neutral at birth as science or psychologist may stipulate. There is alot of unknown in the human mind. The only way they have to study it is by observation. For example, the following person is showing the following symptoms therefore they have the following condition that we have defined by the following criteria. Do they know? no. They are basing their opinion of assumption based on exterior evidence and then if the person "responds" to treatment. Interesting basis. What really puzzles them however is instances that do not fit into their mold and therefore are anomalies. For example. Say you have two individuals who went through similar circumstances of say an abuse. Why do some, seem to recover, while others do not. Why does some develop what they would label a certain disorder, while another does not manifest any of those behaviors. So the slate is not as clean as they may have us believe.
I am not saying that enviroment has no influence. It has a HUGE one. We absord things, process them and apply them internally according to our individual senses. But it is inherant that were ARE limited by these senses. For example, dogs can hear things we cannot. Does that make the sound not exist? No. How do we know that dogs can hear those sounds? Because at one time man happened to figure out a way to measure sound. So it is when these things come into the range of our senses that we are able to establish a connection to them, that we can in turn be able to translate into our world.
This reminds me of When Jesus was talking to Nichodemus. ( I know you have expressed that you don't have evidence for a belief for a higher being,.. but indulge me here...) He was trying to show Nichodemus that his ability to reason and translate the physical was in fact holding him back from understanding heavenly things. How so? Because the human mind from birth is taught to reason on the physical. It has no other frame of reference to base things heavenly because it has been confined to a flesh enviroment. Similar to what you are saying about being born into a preconcieved idea. Nichodemus kept trying to figure out how we could possibly be physically born again, because that was the only way that he was able to understand Jesus words. Was that the only way of seeing it? No. Jesus was trying to help him see things from heavens concept. To do so we have to break out of the physical and go into what his realm and learn from him and what he gives us to hear him, (the helper) the Holy Spirit. This enables us to see what he sees, otherwise we are trapped in a concept of physical (flesh).
He does provide evidence for those who seek him. Ways that he can reach us, so that we can believe and reach out to him in return. He did this while on earth, providing miracles for ones to see. But he didn't do them on demand, for the sake of 'proof', for if that was all they were seeking than a simple miracle would not be enough. Reminds me of when God' voice actually spoke from heaven, and some called it thunder.
I had to smile when you said this:
As for your own experiences, I can't say how I'd feel if I experienced something truly inexplicable. The questions would probably drive me over the edge.
Not sure it would drive you over the edge. :-) But it might force a further shedding of conception, did for me.
TC my friend.