The folly of Watchtower's theodicy. Or, why would an all-powerful and all-wise God need to justify his sovereignty through suffering?

by Island Man in

watchtower says that evil and suffering exist at present to vindicate jehovah as being the only one qualified to govern; to bear witness to man's inability to govern himself independent of god and under satan's direction.

the claim is made that the questions raised by satan regarding god's motives as universal sovereign can only be answered by allowing humans to see the evil and suffering that results when man lives independent of god's protection and direction.. watchtower and jws seem to think that this is the best theodicy in the world.

but there are some serious flaws in it.. 1. such a theodicy suggests that all perfect and intelligent creation, up until the advent of adam and eve, did not know god and his ways well enough to be confident that his motives as universal sovereign are pure.

tresdecu

why would an all-powerful and all-wise God need to justify his sovereignty through suffering?

I love this....simple powerful question to ask JWs.

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If only............

by tresdecu in

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....charles taze russell's mom and dad didn't have sex back on that night in june of 1851.... weird that a married couple getting horny could affect so many lives 164 years later.. just a random friday thought.

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tresdecu

Dumplin...LOL...."stupid pecker" hahahaha. didn't see your post at first

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If only............

by tresdecu in

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friends

....charles taze russell's mom and dad didn't have sex back on that night in june of 1851.... weird that a married couple getting horny could affect so many lives 164 years later.. just a random friday thought.

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tresdecu

John...thanks for the suggestion, looks good. I love those kind of movies.

Faye...mommy dearest ;-)...I know right?! Those thoughts plague me sometimes laying in bed, all the 'what ifs' crazy how the universe works.

I mean what if I did get to play football in high school.....but then had broken my neck, and become a quadriplegic. Would I rather be a non-witness paralyzed guy, or a fading / sometimes depressed JW that feels like I missed out on so many aspects of life.....ugh...on and on and on we could go.

Thanks for playing along :-)

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If only............

by tresdecu in

jw
friends

....charles taze russell's mom and dad didn't have sex back on that night in june of 1851.... weird that a married couple getting horny could affect so many lives 164 years later.. just a random friday thought.

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tresdecu

....Charles Taze Russell's Mom and Dad didn't have sex back on that night in June of 1851...

weird that a married couple getting horny could affect so many lives 164 years later.

just a random Friday thought.

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Interesting Article: New human link found "Homo Naledi"

by Splash in

haven't read it all yet, but 15 skeletons have been found in south africa, near jo'burg... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11855405/homo-naledi-a-new-species-of-human-discovered-in-a-cave-in-south-africa.html.

tresdecu

I was going to post a new thread on this fascinating subject...but decided to do a search instead. ;-) novel idea..

I can't wait for this to come on discovery channel on the 16th. gonna 'accidentally' flip to it when my wife is with me.

How does religion seriously fight this science stuff...it seems like it's getting to be too damning.

Does the WT acknowledge Neanderthals?

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Geoffrey Jackson's Amnesia at the Royal Commission!

by The Searcher in

at 20:00 - 21:30 in his testimony, mr. geoffrey jackson - in answer to mr. stewart's question about the governing body claiming to be god's spokespersons - claimed that it would be presumptuous of them to say that they were the only spokespersons which god was using.

mr. jackson doesn't seem to know what he and his fellow g.b.

members - and the providers of his lifestyle, the wtbts - actually teach as "bible truth.

tresdecu

I think we should all call the WT HQ and direct quote this A hole....vs. a damning WT quote and simply ask the question, which is the truth?

Imagine them fielding several hundred calls...I will do this as soon as I get a chance. Any other volunteers? We could post the Desk puppets response on a new thread.

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Jehovah’s Witnesses face child sexual-abuse investigation in Australia - Washington Post article

by defender of truth in

of the religious and nonreligious groups being investigated, the jehovahs witnesses are exceptional, experts say.. in a converted office in downtown sydney, the organizations doctrines and practices are being parsed by lawyers, victims and journalists, providing rare insight into one of the christian worlds most conservative churches.. .

the church, which was founded in pennsylvania during the 1870s to promote a 1st-century interpretation of the bible, has emerged as the least able or willing to deal with sexual abuse within its ranks, said anne cossins, an associate law professor at the university of new south wales and an expert in sex crimes who is a consultant for the inquiry.. .

i find their approach to the issue and victims extraordinarily bizarre almost medieval, she said in an interview.. .

tresdecu

I like they brought attention to the term/label "worldly"

The church’s deep suspicion of outsiders, who are referred to, derogatorily, as “worldly,” is the reason sex abuse among Jehovah’s Witnesses is rarely reported to authorities,

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DC ooopps I mean RC

by tresdecu in

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so, i gotta go this weekend.

ugh!!!

fml!!!

tresdecu

oneeyejoe...good point.

Thanks C0ntr013r for your observation !!

...not looking forward to this :-/

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DC ooopps I mean RC

by tresdecu in

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friends

so, i gotta go this weekend.

ugh!!!

fml!!!

tresdecu

Thanks DOC ! Also, if anyone has heard the talk that goes with it, I am curious to know the tone...are they (drones, dubs) told to be kind, brotherly etc...

the experience I have had the last few years has been 50/50, some are nice and talk to me like I never became inactive, others treat me like I am df'd.

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