i will have plenty of "snark" to post later on, but please indulge me while i get this out of my system..... suppose you are the leaders...yes, the leaders...there are only 7 of you...for the one true religion in all the universe.. jehovah the god of the whole universe speaks to you, you alone, out of 7 billion+ people on teh planet.. you have an opportunity, thanks to the advancements in technology, to speak to 750,000 of your followers "live", and another 750,000 or so within 24 hours.. 1.5 million people!
hanging on your every word!.
this is the first time in history you can simultaneously, or nearly simultaneously, address so many of your adherents.. what message are you going to present for this special occasion?.
My very dear, faithful to his last breath, 85 year old elder father wrote this to his die hard sister yesterday about the meeting ..... "Upbuilding, but agonizing in pointing out our mistakes"
(I have access to his email with his permission)
I know he is referring to children leaving the org. It breaks my heart that he faithfully keeps serving this organization only to continually get beat down and discouraged.
Good job Tony!! Way to keep those old people in line!!
after reading about tight pant tony's rant about sisters only marrying ministerial servants lest their marriage will be a failure what anecdotal evidence do you have to support this.
the divorces that i am familiar with in the congregation show me that having priveledges in the congregation do not improve the odds of a better marriage.
i would say about 60% of the divorces had at least one spouse who was a pioneer, elder or ministerial servant.
I was a regular pioneer and married an elder and regular pioneer. I gave it my all for 20 years. It was nothing but a sham from the very, very beginning. We had absolutely nothing in common other than we both belonged to the same cult.....not a strong enough basis for anything, especially a marriage.
How very sad that nothing other than is the man spiritualis considered. News Alert Tony.....A marriage mate that is willing to get a job, engage in meaningful conversation, and do something in bed other than 30 seconds of missionary style goes a hell of lot further than whether my man is on the KH stage come Sunday morning!!
this is the scuttlebutt in one of the "bethel congregations" by us.. no details as to exactly what this "faith-testing" announcement might be.. anyone else hear any of this pre-zone visit hype?.
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If DF'ed riff raff like me can be a part of this meeting, how jaw dropping of an announcement can it be?
Unfortunately I had planned to trim my toe nails on Saturday and the liklihood of me being able to attend this meeting is looking dubious.
this is the scuttlebutt in one of the "bethel congregations" by us.. no details as to exactly what this "faith-testing" announcement might be.. anyone else hear any of this pre-zone visit hype?.
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Whatever the announcement is, it will be met with an agreeing head shake, frisbee eyes, and a mutual agreement that "Only we have the truth. How wonderful to be a part of Jehovah's GRAND organization"
ok, so in the interests of balance....(as it has rightly been pointed out that i am getting more bitter toward the org), can we think of any positive or nice things about jehovah's witnesses?.
just throwing this topic out there....... .
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They never smell of cigarettes
with many more cases in the offing the zalkin lawfirm will press the issue again and again and force gerrit loesch to testify.
what say you?.
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If any GB II members are put on stand, then we can be sure to expect a Watchtower article stating that the event coincided with the locusts and trumpet blasts of Revelation. My parents (and company) will be so excited, get teary eyed and know we are on THE BRINK....
i hope i don't come across as judgemental but having read a lot on the current child abuse cases and the different threads on here, i am left wondering why on earth a parent of an abuse victim would go to an elder with the problem first and not straight to police?.
as a parent myself i know that if anything like that happend to my child (this applies to when i was still an active jw as well as now) i would not hesitate in going to the authorities as soon as i found out, it wouldn't of crossed mine or my husbands mind to go to an elder.
maybe after we had reported it but definitely never as the first port of call.
We had an elder in our hall that seemed to always be hosting a girl's sleepover for his 9 year old newly adopted daughter. Yes, come to find out he was molesting them. One young sister went straight to her mother the next morning after one of these infamous parties. The mother called the police before calling the elders. It broke the story wide open. He was DF'ed and then committed suicide the night before his sentencing. It split the congregation. Some were really angry with this sister for all the bad publicity in the papers (as if it was her fault)
I wish they all were like this mother!!!!!!
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/135m-awarded-to-bible-teacher-gonzalo-campos-alleged-abuse-victim-jose-lopez-281031832.html#.
the national organization for jehovah's witnesses was ordered to pay $13.5 million to a san diego man who says he was abused as a child by his bible teacher.
nbc 7's rory devine reports on oct. 30, 2014.
Makes me almost believe in God....
a poster on another thread reminded me of when there was a 15 min.
break between the talk and the wt study on sundays.
the break was supposed to be to allow jw's time to drive their bible studys home from the talk.
I remember that 15 minutes quite well......It was just enough time for my very strong Ukrainian mother to haul us five kids to the back room and give us all a good beating. It made no difference whether we were guilty of any mischief or not, the beating got delivered.
"what was the actual significance of that year, then?".
if jw's were overly zealous, what was the exact amount of zeal encouraged by the wts for a non-event which took up.
over 7 years of every jw's time?.
Trustworthy Bible chronology ...... What a laugh. One of my favorite parts of the book Crisis of Conscience is the GB discussion around changing the 1914 date to the Sputnik launch. Trustworthy Bible chronology at it's finest......
