i thought long and hard before making this thread, that many will not agree with it but i think there needs to be balance and people to realise there are alternate viewpoints out there on many of these subjects, the ones that are most spoke about on this forum.
i was recently sent a full message containing mary's book and these links give the rebuttal to many of her points.
those that are still open-minded enough feel free to look over them even if in the end you still don't agree at least you have heard both the defence as well as the attack as they are on the internet.
Mouthy said:
We are mostly injured people by a false religion, that your defending. Some of us have lost our loved ones ONLY because the old men at the Headquarters say "SHUN EM!!!"
My parents know I don't believe in god but they don't shun me. If I was DF of DA, then they will shun me. They follow the commands of men not god.
just been having a flick through the dec 15 & jan 15 jw only watchtowers.
(and no - i dont know how to pdf them or anything else!).
unusually there isnt a single mention glorifying the fads - in fact , jehovahs channel or any other similar expression isnt referenced at all (other than a single scriptural reference in the review of revelation in the dec 15th issue.).
Looking through the WTs in the last 6 months it seems more and more like they are reading "apostate" material and stuffing in short responses to it. Any JW on the ground would be clueless, to any apostate it is obvious. But to any JW still in that has dipped briefly into apostate material or who has been talking to one recently (I'm thinking some of our relatives) they will say "Oh you know the other day you said the name Jehovah shouldn't be in the bible? Well there was this great article and . . ." They are desperately trying to plug leaky docrine.
i thought long and hard before making this thread, that many will not agree with it but i think there needs to be balance and people to realise there are alternate viewpoints out there on many of these subjects, the ones that are most spoke about on this forum.
i was recently sent a full message containing mary's book and these links give the rebuttal to many of her points.
those that are still open-minded enough feel free to look over them even if in the end you still don't agree at least you have heard both the defence as well as the attack as they are on the internet.
I have read the Gospel of the Flying Spahetti Monster and found it made false predictions...
I'm surprised at you. It only appears that way because that's the way the FSM designed it, just as he planted dinosaur bones to fool the paleontologists. He made it appear as if there are false predictions as a test of our faith otherwise it would be too damn easy to believe in him... or else people would believe just for the beer mountain and stripper factory in heaven.
i thought long and hard before making this thread, that many will not agree with it but i think there needs to be balance and people to realise there are alternate viewpoints out there on many of these subjects, the ones that are most spoke about on this forum.
i was recently sent a full message containing mary's book and these links give the rebuttal to many of her points.
those that are still open-minded enough feel free to look over them even if in the end you still don't agree at least you have heard both the defence as well as the attack as they are on the internet.
Lance join me. We could be Apostafarians!
i thought long and hard before making this thread, that many will not agree with it but i think there needs to be balance and people to realise there are alternate viewpoints out there on many of these subjects, the ones that are most spoke about on this forum.
i was recently sent a full message containing mary's book and these links give the rebuttal to many of her points.
those that are still open-minded enough feel free to look over them even if in the end you still don't agree at least you have heard both the defence as well as the attack as they are on the internet.
errm... except for pastafarians of course.
What do we stand for?
All that is good!!
What are we against?
All that isn't good!!
RAmen!
i thought long and hard before making this thread, that many will not agree with it but i think there needs to be balance and people to realise there are alternate viewpoints out there on many of these subjects, the ones that are most spoke about on this forum.
i was recently sent a full message containing mary's book and these links give the rebuttal to many of her points.
those that are still open-minded enough feel free to look over them even if in the end you still don't agree at least you have heard both the defence as well as the attack as they are on the internet.
RAmen brother Lance, RAmen.
i thought long and hard before making this thread, that many will not agree with it but i think there needs to be balance and people to realise there are alternate viewpoints out there on many of these subjects, the ones that are most spoke about on this forum.
i was recently sent a full message containing mary's book and these links give the rebuttal to many of her points.
those that are still open-minded enough feel free to look over them even if in the end you still don't agree at least you have heard both the defence as well as the attack as they are on the internet.
Where else do we go? What else is there? Do JW's have nothing else than this. Debate for hours and when you have them cornered it's "What else is there?" The thousands of people leaving the WTS every year have found something better.
Honestly examining beliefs can be uncomfortable. Maybe there is nothing else. Just because something is scary does not make it untrue. Fear is not a good reason to believe.
I have found something better. I don't feel the need to proselytise because everyone must find their own way in life.
If your estimation of the WT is that it is the best of a bad bunch then that is sad. Let the WT fall or stand on its own merits, not in comparison to anythings else.
"in the beginning was the word, and the word was 'arrrrgh!
'" - piraticus 13:7. .
Isn't there a St. ARRRRGH's in Cornwall?
"in the beginning was the word, and the word was 'arrrrgh!
'" - piraticus 13:7. .
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was 'ARRRRGH!'" - PIRATICUS 13:7
i thought long and hard before making this thread, that many will not agree with it but i think there needs to be balance and people to realise there are alternate viewpoints out there on many of these subjects, the ones that are most spoke about on this forum.
i was recently sent a full message containing mary's book and these links give the rebuttal to many of her points.
those that are still open-minded enough feel free to look over them even if in the end you still don't agree at least you have heard both the defence as well as the attack as they are on the internet.
Av - I found that resolution very interesting. I was trying to find the source and anyone with a WTLib CDRom (or 1963 bound volume) will find it on the Nov 15 1963 WT.
Particularly interesting was in point 5 the UN is described as " this international image of human political sovereignty" and " a man-made political creation". One of the points the apologists use in defence is that the UN is a government and not a political entity so it was ok to use the library just like any municipal facility.
Something else that came up when I searched in the forum was a thread about a UN resolution in 1968. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/13009/1.ashx
The requirements to be an associated ngo never really changed.
