Posts by 7Starz

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Usage of FDS and Faithful Slave.

by runForever in

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7Starz

Sorry if I missed it, but have you done a chart comparing the amount of times FDS is used compared to Jehovah and Jesus?

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Consequences of staying on the recommended Hotel list

by Samaritan At the Well in

i wanted to share an experience i had and see if anyone else had encountered this same matter.

we always tried to make an extra effort to ensure we stood on the approved hotel lists when going to our special day conventions or district conventions or what they now call regional.

we use to stay many nights a year and i would save up my hotel points to use at a later time.. i remember checking in at popular chain hotel and asked the hotel clerk how many points would i earn for the 3 night stay?

7Starz

What really chapped us was that we were not even asked if you wanted to donate your points. It was just expected! There was no letter in advance explaining this would happen.

I could see the society getting the points if THEY were paying for our stay, but such was not the case.

The hotel seemed to have expected the guests to complain and already had preprinted forms explaining the situation. Basically the issue was not theirs but that this was part of the negotiations in advance to obtain the room rates.

This was a four star hotel. We asked friends who were staying at other hotels (not 4 star) if this was the same policy and were told that the hotels did not take their points.

Later, I asked and was told the society uses the points for bethel brothers, etc. to pay for their hotel stays.

I guess they only like to stay in nice hotels while the rest of the flock has to settle for less if they could not get a room with a finer establishment.

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Now it’s Definite about the FDS and GB being one and the same and When does Jesus return?

by 7Starz in

it was explained that the faithful slave is the governing body, while the domestics are all those who are fed spiritually, whether of the anointed or of the other sheep..

the july 15, 2013 study edition of the watchtower stated on page 22, paragraph 10: in keeping with jesus pattern of feeding many through the hands of a few, that slave is made up of a small group of anointed brothers who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food during christs presence.

throughout the last days, the anointed brothers who make up the faithful and discreet slave have served together at headquarters.

7Starz

In the March 15, 2015 Study edition of the Watchtower it states on page 9, paragraph 6: “For example, our clarified understanding of “the faithful and discreet slave,” published in the July 15, 2013, Watchtower, thrilled us. It was explained that the faithful slave is the Governing Body, while the “domestics” are all those who are fed spiritually, whether of the anointed or of the “other sheep.”

The July 15, 2013 study edition of the Watchtower stated on page 22, paragraph 10: In keeping with Jesus’ pattern of feeding many through the hands of a few, that slave is made up of a small group of anointed brothers who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food during Christ’s presence. Throughout the last days, the anointed brothers who make up the faithful and discreet slave have served together at headquarters. In recent decades, that slave has been closely identified with the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Is “closely identified” the same as “is” identified? I guess it depends on what you definition of the word is, is.

When you read the bible “God” and Jesus are capitalized…why does the Governing Body feel the need to have their title in capital letters? But I digress.

The July 15, 2013 study edition of the Watchtower asks the question on page 24, paragraph 16: “When does Jesus arrive?” It then goes on to state: “Hence Jesus’ “arriving,” or “coming,” mentioned in the illustration of the faithful and discreet slave takes place during the great tribulation.”

I was always taught (and taught to others) that Jesus arrived in 1914 (his 2nd coming) at the start of the last days which culminates in the great tribulation followed by Armageddon.

Please read Matthew chapter 24. I am using the New International Version (NIV). I will summarize:

The apostles ask Jesus – What is the sign of your coming at the end of the age?

Jesus states:

LAST DAYS (Witnesses taught that 1914 was the start date and I believe they still do)

Signs of many coming in his name, wars, famine, earthquakes.
Persecution, death, appearance of false prophets, love of the greater number grows cold.
Gospel of the kingdom preached in the whole world as a testimony.

GREAT TRIBULATION (Witnesses current teaching from the 07/15/13 WT that Jesus is coming during the great tribulation)

The abomination that causes desolation standing in a holy place
Great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now and never to be equaled again.
More false messiah’s and false prophets appear performing great signs and wonders – Do not believe it.

IMMEDIATELY AFTER GREAT TRIBULATION (What the bible really teaches)

Sun and moon are darkened, stars fall from heaven, heavenly bodies shaken.
Sign of the Son of Man appears in heaven
All peoples of earth will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven.

The bible clearly states Jesus returns not at the start of the last days, not during the great tribulation, but AFTER the great tribulation.

Now back to the March 15, 2015 Watchtower page 16, paragraph 14 last two sentences: “Each of us will answer to the righteous Judge whom Jehovah has appointed. We must be ready. And he is coming soon!”

Notice the 07/15/13 WT uses the words “arriving” or “coming” interchangeably.

If the faithful and discreet slave is to appear during Christ’s presence to dispense food at the proper time (according to the 07/15/13 WT), how can that be? According to scripture and the 03/15/15 WT, Jesus has not yet arrived or is not yet present.

One of the definitions of “presence” is a person or thing that exists or is present in a place but is not seen. Meaning they are here, present and accounted for.

One of the definitions of “coming” is an arrival or an approach. This denotes something or someone that is on their way or is soon to be here.

Are they now admitting in a subtle way that Jesus has not returned? If not, is there to be a 3rd coming of our Lord?

Again I guess it depends on what you definition of the word is, is.

*(Bold and underlines are mine)

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Interview With an Apostate by Village Idiot

by Village Idiot in

tell us a little about yourself and your family.

got myself in at age 13. one day i saw a leaflet on my door about babylon the great condemned by god and thats all it took.

i mailed a letter to the congregation listed on the flyer requesting a book study.

7Starz

Hello and welcome. It's sad but true that many are disfellowshipped in their absence.

You brought back memories of when the Watchtower had subscriptions for the magazines and mailed them in the brown paper wrappers. I remember that if you had a need to get the magazines sooner (1st Class postage) they would be shipped in a white wrapper. Usually this was reserved for those of importance. If I remember correctly, you had to provide a reason as to why you needed them sooner than the rest of the flock, or at least this is what I was told.

Your interview was well written and certainly was not penned by an "idiot.".

Your reference to the red pill / blue pill is spot on. Many witnesses continue to swallow the blue pill even though they know something is just not right.

If you're a Matrix fan, you'll have to check out the upcoming movie "Jupiter Ascending" from the directors of the Matrix.

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First Time Post - Long time reader

by Samaritan At the Well in

today is my first post on jwd, i was one of jehovahs witness for almost 50 years of my life, i was born into the religion.

i was baptized at a young age and once i got married i was a very spiritual woman as they would call me.

my husband and i served as full time pioneers, we traveled abroad and went to international conventions, did some special pioneer service in other states in the us.

7Starz

I will reveal a secret...I am so glad that Samaritan at the Well is my wife.

It makes me so happy that we both came to our senses at the same time.

I am so proud of her.

Together we are building a better today and a brighter tomorrow.

I wonder how many other husband and wife teams are on this board.

The Song Fading by Rihanna from her 2010 Album "Loud"

by 7Starz in

check out the lyrics to this song.

should this be the boards theme song?

if not, which song should be?.

7Starz

Check out the lyrics to this song. Should this be the boards theme song? If not, which song should be?

You can check out the lyrics online by searching the song and artist or if you own the album you can listen and sing along.

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First Time Post - Long time reader

by Samaritan At the Well in

today is my first post on jwd, i was one of jehovahs witness for almost 50 years of my life, i was born into the religion.

i was baptized at a young age and once i got married i was a very spiritual woman as they would call me.

my husband and i served as full time pioneers, we traveled abroad and went to international conventions, did some special pioneer service in other states in the us.

7Starz

Welcome Samaritan At the Well - Glad you're free. So many new posters on the board. I think the floodgates are opening.

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Will the GB now accept Higher Learning???

by 7Starz in

reported in many news outlets today including the wall street journal: president obama is pushing for the first two years of a community college to be included in the normal education of the country's children.

the education law currently has a free education from k-12 and obama now wants to include a 2 year community college degree for free (well the tax payers will pick up the tab).

so basically k-12 and a 2 year college associates degree.. if this becomes law, will the gb change their view on higher education and say:.

7Starz

Morpheus stated: "He also specifically noted that in america the first 12 years are required, beyond that it was optional and that was where parents had to make decisions."

What if they make it mandatory for K-12 and the two years of college? Will the GB then make a stand against being able to attend? Hmmmm...makes you wonder.

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Will the GB now accept Higher Learning???

by 7Starz in

reported in many news outlets today including the wall street journal: president obama is pushing for the first two years of a community college to be included in the normal education of the country's children.

the education law currently has a free education from k-12 and obama now wants to include a 2 year community college degree for free (well the tax payers will pick up the tab).

so basically k-12 and a 2 year college associates degree.. if this becomes law, will the gb change their view on higher education and say:.

7Starz

Yes pixel - you're probably right. Always a way to spin it.

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Watch out Apple/Samsung: WT into Device Business

by pixel in

i haven't seen this posted yet.

i was watching the january-don't-educate-yourself-programming and i think we missed the following, at the :31 minute of the show:.

wt now sending portable music devices to malawi so they can sing the new song.

7Starz

This device looks like one of those hand crank portable citizens band / HAM radios you use when there is no power. I have used one in cases of emergency during a storm.

Is the society sending them or are they being provided on a donation basis?

Is there another reason they are sending them perhaps?

Got your Go Bag ready Malawi?