Hi everyone, thanks for the nice welcomes. I'm suggesting atheism because, when I was a JW, the reason I left wasn't just because I wanted to fornicate and smoke, its because I didn't believe. After not believing anything for a while, I realised I wanted to know what was actually true, it didn't matter if it turned out that mormonism was true or buddism or atheism, but after reading up a lot, and actually just thinking more, it really did become glaringly obvious what was true. It's this that frustrates me somewhat. I was assuming that most people on this forum have left JW's because they don't believe in it, but it seems like quite a few have fallen foul of the same methods that JW's use by joining other religions that are just as false. Its like finally breaking free from one monumental lie, only to be taken in by another. I do feel that religion is responsible for horrible wars, and it greatly hinders science in such vitally important areas like stem cell research.....and for what? For claptrap. That's why it does frustrate me so much.
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Atheism - The next and final logical step
by sam_sane_now init is with great pleasure that i have found this forum, being an ex jw myself.
after leaving when i was 17 i still held some belief in the notion of a "god," even though i didn't believe in jw teachings, then when i was about 21 and thought about it properly; i realised that evolution is the only real alternative to all religion.
when you get to this point its very liberating to see that its not just jw's that are clouding and brainwashing peoples minds, but all religion, whether organised or not.
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Atheism - The next and final logical step
by sam_sane_now init is with great pleasure that i have found this forum, being an ex jw myself.
after leaving when i was 17 i still held some belief in the notion of a "god," even though i didn't believe in jw teachings, then when i was about 21 and thought about it properly; i realised that evolution is the only real alternative to all religion.
when you get to this point its very liberating to see that its not just jw's that are clouding and brainwashing peoples minds, but all religion, whether organised or not.
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To shazard, yes evolution is just so so stories......so so stories backed up with reams and reams of evidence. Just what alternative are you providing here by stating that evolution is just stories, and where is your evidence for this counter claim?
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Atheism - The next and final logical step
by sam_sane_now init is with great pleasure that i have found this forum, being an ex jw myself.
after leaving when i was 17 i still held some belief in the notion of a "god," even though i didn't believe in jw teachings, then when i was about 21 and thought about it properly; i realised that evolution is the only real alternative to all religion.
when you get to this point its very liberating to see that its not just jw's that are clouding and brainwashing peoples minds, but all religion, whether organised or not.
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I'd also like to point out if this is unclear, the disdain I hold toward religion is not toward any individuals who believe, and I welcome friendly discussion, it is to the religious organisations as a whole. Yet any disdain held to the way any religions operate is independent to the reasons why I don't believe in god
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Atheism - The next and final logical step
by sam_sane_now init is with great pleasure that i have found this forum, being an ex jw myself.
after leaving when i was 17 i still held some belief in the notion of a "god," even though i didn't believe in jw teachings, then when i was about 21 and thought about it properly; i realised that evolution is the only real alternative to all religion.
when you get to this point its very liberating to see that its not just jw's that are clouding and brainwashing peoples minds, but all religion, whether organised or not.
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Hi there, and thank you all for welcoming me to the forum. Burntheships, to answer your questions. 1. I talk about evolution being the alternative to religion in the sense that religion is the belief system that the universe was created by a superior being or force; hence intelligent design, whereas with evolution I see it as independent to a "creator" being needed or present, with changes in gene pools of populations through generations eliminating the need for a god to exist. Evolution is not the only reason I don't believe in god, but for me I think its the major most important discovery that got the ball rolling towards enlightenment for the modern age. 2.I am not directing my views with an aim of feeling superior, however, if I believe something to be true I feel that it is important that I express my views on the matter, and just as many people are here because they feel that JW's have created great hardships for them, I am pointing out that my disdain for the religious practices of JW's spreads out to all religions, because of the similarities I can see between all of them. 3. In regards to the comment about the final step when pushing up daises, I will quote bertrand russell; when he was asked by a religous person what he would say to god when he died as to why he didn't believe after taking a firm stance for atheism on earth. “Not enough evidence, God, not enough evidence”.
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Noah's ark - Can't believe I once actually thought it was true
by sam_sane_now inwhen i was a jw i didn't even question that the noah's ark story might not be true.
i didn't realise that it wasn't achievable for a handful of people to gather literally millions of animals - two of each kind - and fit them into a boat where they would all survive for many days.
i didn't think about the fact that if the highest mountain was covered with water then how could plant life like trees and flowers come to exist again, especially so soon after, with the raven grabbing an olive leaf was it?
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When I was a JW I didn't even question that the Noah's ark story might not be true. I didn't realise that it wasn't achievable for a handful of people to gather literally millions of animals - two of each kind - and fit them into a boat where they would all survive for many days. I didn't think about the fact that if the highest mountain was covered with water then how could plant life like trees and flowers come to exist again, especially so soon after, with the raven grabbing an olive leaf was it? There are many many other reasons why it just is so truly unbelievable. My question is, what ways do JW's justify it to themselves that it is true? I can't remember how I did as I left quite young.
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Atheism - The next and final logical step
by sam_sane_now init is with great pleasure that i have found this forum, being an ex jw myself.
after leaving when i was 17 i still held some belief in the notion of a "god," even though i didn't believe in jw teachings, then when i was about 21 and thought about it properly; i realised that evolution is the only real alternative to all religion.
when you get to this point its very liberating to see that its not just jw's that are clouding and brainwashing peoples minds, but all religion, whether organised or not.
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sam_sane_now
It is with great pleasure that I have found this forum, being an ex jw myself. After leaving when I was 17 I still held some belief in the notion of a "god," even though I didn't believe in JW teachings, then when I was about 21 and thought about it properly; I realised that evolution is the only real alternative to all religion. When you get to this point its very liberating to see that its not just JW's that are clouding and brainwashing peoples minds, but all religion, whether organised or not. Have most people on this forum come to realise this too? If you haven't got to this joyous point yet, I would recommend reading such books as Richard Dawkins God Delusion, even though you may thoroughly disagree and maybe be insulted with his style of writing, you will find that you cannot really refute what he says with any real vigor, and everything makes a whole lot more sense.