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  so, what ARE society 'approved' jobs anyway?

  by sowhatnow in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  obviously they feel a window washer job is a job anyone can do anywhere in he world .

  and makes great money, yea right.. so what are all those 'approved jobs?'.

  add to the list of any and all building skills, cleaning type jobs.

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  @blondie very true. I also moved congregations and countries and the difference between each is shocking.

  The most annoying bit is same country different congregation and the BOE have their own rules!
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  so, what ARE society 'approved' jobs anyway?

  by sowhatnow in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  obviously they feel a window washer job is a job anyone can do anywhere in he world .

  and makes great money, yea right.. so what are all those 'approved jobs?'.

  add to the list of any and all building skills, cleaning type jobs.

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  Da.Furious

  I would say all shift work is disapproved! I know of an elder who had to give up his position due to shift work.

  Everything mentioned in addition to these pyramid schemes (Herbalife, Avon, etc...)
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  Children calling jw adults uncle and auntie, when did that start?

  by awakening in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i cant figure out when the auntie and uncle thing started or why.

  it sure is a peadophiles dream to have a kid they dont know call them uncle!

  they are now in a special relationship.

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  It is a cultural thing as others have pointed.

  In my native tongue we have a special word to address people who are the age of our parents. But there is no translation to this in English so the alternative is Uncle/Auntie. This is done just out of respect and not using the persons first name.

  This is done inside and outside of the congregation and it is not something tied to JWs only.
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  Where do JWs get their Apathy Trolley/Cart?

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i can't imagine for one second that the wbt$ supply the apathy trollies they'll make the r&f pay for them.

  or does the wbt$ supply the apathy trolley and charge over the odds for them?.

  so...........do jws construct them?.

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  Before WT supplied them there was a brother in France or Spain providing them for around €100. I think this was the case for a year or so. Then suddenly congregations received a letter asking them to stop ordering them privately and the trolleys are now part of the literature order but the congregation has to pay for them separately.

  As phizzy mentioned the cost a congregation has to pay in that range. The cost involves the cost of making the cart and shipping.
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  Consider the "outcome" when elders apply the two-witness "rule"

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  jehovahs witnesses two-witness rule is applied by elders when a witness member accuses another member of a sin, even if that sin is a criminal act.

  if there arent two witnesses to the accusation, it goes nowhere, including not being reported to the authorities.

  and in the case of an allegation of child abuse, the accused is free to molest again.. watchtower attorney, jim mccabe, recently stated this about jehovahs witnesses two-witness rule which he described as a bible-based belief :.

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  This scenario is based on JW family - non JW family will behave differently, i.e. call police immediately.

  One minor reports an abuse to his parents, first thing the parents will do is call an elder who is friend of the family and explain the situation. That elder will then discuss with another elder and ask the parents and the child to relate in details what happened.

  After their discussion the elders will contact Bethel Legal department and ask for guidance. At this point they have instructed the family not to contact the police until further instruction from bethel.

  What bethel decides, i have no idea what the process they follow. But i assume they ask to make sure that the child is not making it up. Maybe they advise the elders to ask for specifics, or even talk to the abuser and check with him if this is true or even worse put all in one room to confront each other!

  If the child insists and the abuser refutes the claims, god knows how you solve this with professionals!

  The aim of this is to keep the peace and harmony within the congregation.

  The things they are not taking into account is that the child needs support not interrogation. Moreover, the above scenario exposes the child to confront the abuser which may cause more harm emotionally. Trust is broken and the child has to bear the consequences from his family.

  In the second scenario abuser has 2 victims they come forward, they get interrogated by the elders, possibly confront the abuser, legal department contacted and they give their approval to DF the abuser.

  Abuser gets DF'd and parents are informed if you want to contact the police you are free to do so!

  Both scenarios are true but the whole process is wrong, one witness 2 witness or no witness. Child abuse should be dealt by police and specialists not congregation elders who barely can sort issues within their own families.
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  Consider the "outcome" when elders apply the two-witness "rule"

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  jehovahs witnesses two-witness rule is applied by elders when a witness member accuses another member of a sin, even if that sin is a criminal act.

  if there arent two witnesses to the accusation, it goes nowhere, including not being reported to the authorities.

  and in the case of an allegation of child abuse, the accused is free to molest again.. watchtower attorney, jim mccabe, recently stated this about jehovahs witnesses two-witness rule which he described as a bible-based belief :.

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  My comment on this topic, this was posted on another thread today:

  i also checked with couple of prominent elders about the issue and they confirmed to me that since 2013/2014 the 2 witness rule is no more required for a minor reporting the abuse.

  BUT, and this is a big BUT, if it was one minor reporting it there would be an issue verifying it and credibility in addition of making sure the minor is not making it up. Not sure what the situation would be, since they told me it would very tricky since such accusation can ruin individuals or families if they were untrue. But if there were 2 or more abused, on different occasions, then each one of them is considered a witness.

  So i think whoever needs to verify, needs to ask the precise question (the 1 million dollar question), what if the abuse was reported by one child, how do you deal with this!
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  Examples of Watchtower lying to the press?

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i refer to this thread where a poster said that if we ring bethel they confirm that the 2 witness rule no longer applies to cases of paedophilia anymore.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/child-abuse/286880/1/consider-the-outcome-when-elders-apply-the-two-witness-rule.

  it has been commented that the watchtower(r) spokespersons may make statements to placate the public or press but the actual reality is very different in reality.. i am interested in having a collection of these lies or spin in one thread (probably been done before).. i list firstly the article about 'mentally diseased apostates' from the uk press.. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/war-of-words-breaks-out-among-jehovahs-witnesses-2361448.html.

  see what jw spokesperson rick fenton says against what the reality is.. .

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  Da.Furious

  pinkofnice, i also checked with couple of prominent elders about the issue and they confirmed to me that since 2013/2014 the 2 witness rule is no more required for a minor reporting the abuse.

  BUT, and this is a big BUT, if it was one minor reporting it there would be an issue verifying it and credibility in addition of making sure the minor is not making it up. Not sure what the situation would be, since they told me it would very tricky since such accusation can ruin individuals or families if they were untrue. But if there were 2 or more abused, on different occasions, then each one of them is considered a witness.

  So i think whoever needs to verify, needs to ask the precise question (the 1 million dollar question), what if the abuse was reported by one child, how do you deal with this!
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  Recent Update - Service Report

  by Da.Furious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on oct. 22, eight brothers were released from prison in turkmenistan by presidential amnesty.

  (see 2014 yearbook, p. 31) the ninth brother is still imprisoned, but it is hoped that he will be released shortly.

  some were already in prison for three or more years and had been severely mistreated.

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  Unfortunately i cannot verify the source of the data, but this was forwarded to me from someone who has family member in bethel.

  Checking the numbers, i also had similar question on why the ratios are so low. The issue is that we cannot compare them with anything else. Moreover the peak published figure is always misleading and skews figures.

  Another issue with the 9,845 bible requests, how many of them actually studied for more than 4 weeks or still studying or even started studying?

  And what is the issue of converting hours spend to years? So if there was one JW and 7 billion people, does he need 221,000 years to preach to them? it seems they need to work on their Stats department and get them trained to produce meaningful numbers that can be verified and make them look professional not clowns.

  The average hours per publisher is 19.7 hours per month which i believe is very low for a religion who claims all they do is preaching and investing money in preaching and expanding - this figure included the doing nothing time at metropolitan and cart/trolley witnessing.

  Anyway, at the meeting i will be hearing: We are now more than 8million!!! and we spent 221,000 years of hours in ministry in one year!!!
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  Recent Update - Service Report

  by Da.Furious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on oct. 22, eight brothers were released from prison in turkmenistan by presidential amnesty.

  (see 2014 yearbook, p. 31) the ninth brother is still imprisoned, but it is hoped that he will be released shortly.

  some were already in prison for three or more years and had been severely mistreated.

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  Da.Furious

  On Oct. 22, eight brothers were released from prison in Turkmenistan by presidential amnesty. (See 2014 Yearbook, p. 31) The ninth brother is still imprisoned, but it is hoped that he will be released shortly. Some were already in prison for three or more years and had been severely mistreated. Further details will be posted on jw.org. We rejoice with them and the evidence this gives that Jehovah looks down and hears the sighing of the prisoner as mentioned in Psalm 102:19, 20.

  The service committee report for the past year: Efforts were made to reach the millions of people living in remote areas, cultivate the interest, and start Bible studies with the goal of moving progressively through the territory and starting groups and congregations there, not just a blitzing of the territory and talking only to those at home at the time. The results have been very good and give evidence of the guidance of the holy spirit. Missionaries have also been assigned to preach to large foreign-language communities in a number of countries such as England, France, and the United States.

  The special campaign in August to acquaint people with the jw.org website had good results. The page containing the request for Bible studies was viewed a total of 363,000 times in August, compared with 20,000 times in July. A total of 9,845 users filled out and submitted the form requesting a Bible study.

  The figures for the 2014 service report: Peak publishers - 8,201,545 - a 3% increase over last year. Hours - 1,945,487,604; equivalent to 221,000 years! Baptized: 275,581. Bible studies: 9,499,933 - a 2.6 % increase. Memorial attendance: 19,950,019. Regular pioneers: 1,058,792 - a 6.2% increase. All evidence of Jehovah's blessing on the work and the increase yet to come.

  Da Furious
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  November 8th Special Meeting

  by Chris Tann in

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  2. friends

  anyone have any leaks on this three hour meeting we are having early november?.

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  Is this country specific? I didn't hear anything about such meeting in UK? I may have missed that meeting.