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  condense the blood doctrine history

  by song19 in

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  hello my friends.. i am trying to condense the blood doctrine history and flip flops into a letter, but find myself running around in circles.

  i have looked at jwfacts, watchtower-quotes and the ajwrb sites, but between them all i am getting seriously confused since they are quoting different things.

  is there possibly another site that condenses the history in a simple format?

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  thanks Mongolia... I have already been there. Lots of information indeed. Just looking for something simplified.
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  condense the blood doctrine history

  by song19 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello my friends.. i am trying to condense the blood doctrine history and flip flops into a letter, but find myself running around in circles.

  i have looked at jwfacts, watchtower-quotes and the ajwrb sites, but between them all i am getting seriously confused since they are quoting different things.

  is there possibly another site that condenses the history in a simple format?

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  song19

  Hello my friends.

  I am trying to condense the blood doctrine history and flip flops into a letter, but find myself running around in circles. I have looked at jwfacts, watchtower-quotes and the ajwrb sites, but between them all I am getting seriously confused since they are quoting different things. Is there possibly another site that condenses the history in a simple format?

  i.e. "in such and such a year they allowed this as stated in article bla bla bla" and so on.

  My father is reading all my letters... the last letter I wrote questioned "the generation" change and how "old truths" could all of a sudden become "new truths" again so this will be a follow up letter. It has to be simple and the changes in the doctrine need to be obvious so I just can’t copy these sites. My father won’t read extra material either or visit sites, but for some weird reason, he does read my emails.

  going cross eyed here... so many references AHHH
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  HELP – need some hard hitting pdfs

  by song19 in

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  (fyi i am not dfed or daed) i am being shunned by my mom and yesterday my dad told me he would shun me if i became apostate.

  i swear he has no idea what he is talking about since i asked him who told him that and he asked, doesnt the bible?.

  although i have sent numerous emails, i think i need to finally face my father face to face.

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  i was listening to one of Dr. Martins speeches today... and he said that the watchtower predicted Armageddon 13 times. When I review all the quote and quotes all over the web I get so lost. Could someone simplify it for me. What dates were prophesied that Armageddon would come?
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  HELP – need some hard hitting pdfs

  by song19 in

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  (fyi i am not dfed or daed) i am being shunned by my mom and yesterday my dad told me he would shun me if i became apostate.

  i swear he has no idea what he is talking about since i asked him who told him that and he asked, doesnt the bible?.

  although i have sent numerous emails, i think i need to finally face my father face to face.

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  anyone have a pdf of this quote?

  "He was laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century." Watchtower 1989 January 1 p.12
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  HELP – need some hard hitting pdfs

  by song19 in

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  (fyi i am not dfed or daed) i am being shunned by my mom and yesterday my dad told me he would shun me if i became apostate.

  i swear he has no idea what he is talking about since i asked him who told him that and he asked, doesnt the bible?.

  although i have sent numerous emails, i think i need to finally face my father face to face.

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  anyone have the pdf of the watchtower for 1892?
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  HELP – need some hard hitting pdfs

  by song19 in

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  (fyi i am not dfed or daed) i am being shunned by my mom and yesterday my dad told me he would shun me if i became apostate.

  i swear he has no idea what he is talking about since i asked him who told him that and he asked, doesnt the bible?.

  although i have sent numerous emails, i think i need to finally face my father face to face.

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  (FYI I am not DFed or DAed) I am being shunned by my mom and yesterday my dad told me he would shun me if I ‘became apostate’. I swear he has no idea what he is talking about since I asked him who told him that and he asked, ‘doesn’t the bible?’
  
  Although I have sent numerous emails, I think I need to finally face my father face to face. So, I need some help to gather some hard hitting pdfs/scans of quotes in the literature that will make him think. I.e. false prophecy, blood issue, doctrinal changes, pedophile cases, etc. I don’t know if it will work, but maybe seeing it in writing might help and actually getting him to talk about it, since I suspect he can’t defend his faith (he doesn’t read more than he has to). If you have any suggestions on topics to touch on, that would help too.
  
  Anyhoo… if you have anything handy that you can put up for me to download, it would be greatly appreciated.
  
  song19 aka Tigerlily
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  important counsel about the BS changes... puke

  by song19 in

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  i seem to be on a dubs spam list... anyhoo, i just recieved this now if you really want to read it.

  hello, brothers and sisters:.

  9 at that satan answered jehovah and said: "is it for nothing that jehovah's witness have feared god?

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  I seem to be on a dubs spam list... anyhoo, I JUST recieved this now if you really want to read it.

  Hello, brothers and sisters:
  
  I want to share with you an important counsel that I received from a brother about the changes that will take next year about our book study. I hope it can be of help for you too!
  
  Wendy A.
  Barranquilla, Colombia
  
  There are four main points to the letter about the book study change, I thought was very interesting:
  
  1. Satan's anger is growing!
  The first thing it talked about was Satan's anger is growing more intense toward Jehovah's people. We know that very shortly the Wild Beast (United Nations) will destroy Babylon the Great (False Religion), and try to stop Jehovah's Witnesses from meeting and preaching. The society is getting us prepared for when the whole world goes under ban and the kingdom halls are shut down. When that happens, we will already know how to conduct our meetings in a condensed format. We will need to meet in smaller groups at brother's homes. So when that time comes we will still get spiritual food, but in a quicker format so as to not arouse suspicion by our neighbors. Just like the brothers had to do it in Russia and Uzbekistan a Middle East country has recently gone under ban, the Government said it is to combat terrorism by not allowing religious groups to meet and preach.
  
  2. Did you notice the reason to condense the meetings was NOT for more time in the field service, but more time for personal study?
  The only thing that will get us thought the Great Tribulation is our Faith in Jehovah. The Governing Body is trying to prepare us for what is about to take place. They said to take that extra night and build up your knowledge and strengthen your faith. The time will soon come when we might not have the publications to study and the only things we will be able to recall and draw comfort from are the things that we have studied. We cannot recall what we do not know! The preaching work will continue and Jehovah is speeding it up, but how can we teach and help build peoples faith if we ourselves are not spiritually strong?
  
  3. Do you remember the story of Job?
  
  Job 1:9-12
  
  9 At that Satan answered Jehovah and said: "Is it for nothing that Job has feared God? 10 Have not you yourself put up a hedge about him and about his house and about everything that he has all around? The work of his hands you have blessed, and his livestock itself has spread abroad in the earth. 11 But, for a change, thrust out your hand, please, and touch everything he has [and see] whether he will not curse you to your very face." 12 Accordingly Jehovah said to Satan: "Look! Everything that he has is in your hand. Only against him himself do not thrust out your hand!" So Satan went out away from the person of Jehovah.
  
  Likewise today, It's all about Jehovah's universal sovereignty, his right to rule mankind. Also Satan said that humans would not love Jehovah without something in return. Our meetings and association are a blessing and protection from Jehovah. If they had added another meeting, most people would continue to go to the extra meeting. There they are fed the truth and get to fellowship with others and receive the protection and blessing from Jehovah. The Congregation is a spiritual hedge and a refuge for his people to recharge and get strengthened.
  
  Satan told Jehovah that the only reason Job served God was because of the protection and blessing Jehovah gave to Job.
  
  The same is true in our day; Jehovah is proving to Satan and every living thing, that people will worship him no matter what. By taking away a meeting he is giving us the chance to prove to him and Satan that we will worship him no matter what. That's why they said to do personal study on our own. We would not want to take the extra night to watch T.V. or surf the web, but to gain knowledge that leads to everlasting life through personal study.
  
  Let's take this same scripture and apply it or our day:
  Modified Version of Job 1:9-12 (not actual Bible text)
  9 At that Satan answered Jehovah and said: "Is it for nothing that Jehovah's Witness have feared God? 10 Have not you yourself given them three times a week to get shelter from the world and receive encouragement and blessings from the congregation, and there they learn everything they need to know about you? The Elders call if they miss a meeting, their friends inquire about them if they are not there, because of this, they feel guilty for not going and only go to look good in front of their friends! 11 But, for a change, thrust out your hand, please, and take one meeting away, one chance they have to get encouragement and knowledge of you, and see if between Tuesday and Sunday they turn to doing bad. See if they learn about you on their own time. The Elders and their friends will not know if they had taken the time for personal study, for only you, me and the angels, will know. For this reason, I tell you, television and the Internet will be their personal study". 12 Accordingly Jehovah said to Satan: "Look! One chance they have to get encouragement and knowledge of me I will take away, and lets see if between Tuesday and Sunday they turn to doing bad or if they follow my direction and do personal study, proving you are a liar"! So Satan went out away from the person of Jehovah.
  
  Who will you show has the right to rule mankind?
  
  4. Continued Separating of the sheep and the goats!
  In talking with other witness in different parts of the United States is it very clear that there are two different reactions to the change going to take place in 2009 with our book studies.
  
  The first group is so happy to have the extra night off to relax, watch television or go out to dinner and so on. They only hear what they want to hear and not the true reason for the change. These people will most likely not listen to the direction and do more personal study and we know Satan always go after the weak first.
  
  The second group realizes the seriousness of the change and will heed the warnings given by Jehovah through the faithful slave. These ones will study harder and be prepared for the Fall of Babylon the Great!
  
  With loving care
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  Could you suggest a better way to word this to mom?

  by New light for you in

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  i'm trying to figure out how to word what i have to say to mom, and i'm just not cuttin it.

  here's the story...came in the "truth" with mom, i was 13, she was going thru a divorce.

  she's convinced to this day that we would have no relationship if it wasn't for the fact that we found the witnesses.

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  Hi New Light for you

  I am in the process of writing my mom and email too. I have recently added a paragraph pretty much relaying what whitman sad. The email also revolves around the history of our relationship and the pain I feel. In the end, I plan to attach a copy of confessions letter that he wrote to his mother. I don't know if she'll read it, but if she doesn't than "she doesn't love me enough" as the letter will end up leaving her to believe. My mother and I have a rocky relationship and the pain of it is too much to bear any longer. It's like me leaving has finally given her an excuse to avoid me and to completely shun my husband... even though we're technically still in. It's my hope that by the time she is done reading the letter, she'll feel she has to read the attached... my hopes anyway.

  Confesssion’s letter amazed me, and I think that if anyone reads it, they will start to think... whether it be right away or in a short time... but they will start to think… how can it not.

  anyhoo, that's my plan.

  hugs friend!!!
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  Convention attendee harassed by attendants

  by song19 in

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  i found this youtube video very entertaining and enlightening..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbjxhljc6ko.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq12p-g1560.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5dm4g9btlw.

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  posted those videos in response to Terry's post about being asked to leave a convention before he even got through the door.

  
  sorry jamiebowers, I didin't see that.
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  Convention attendee harassed by attendants

  by song19 in

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  i found this youtube video very entertaining and enlightening..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbjxhljc6ko.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq12p-g1560.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5dm4g9btlw.

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  ... sorry, it was my first time posting a youtube clip here... didn't work the first time.

  I was thoroughly entertained by what happened.