(FYI I am not DFed or DAed) I am being shunned by my mom and yesterday my dad told me he would shun me if I ‘became apostate’. I swear he has no idea what he is talking about since I asked him who told him that and he asked, ‘doesn’t the bible?’
Although I have sent numerous emails, I think I need to finally face my father face to face. So, I need some help to gather some hard hitting pdfs/scans of quotes in the literature that will make him think. I.e. false prophecy, blood issue, doctrinal changes, pedophile cases, etc. I don’t know if it will work, but maybe seeing it in writing might help and actually getting him to talk about it, since I suspect he can’t defend his faith (he doesn’t read more than he has to). If you have any suggestions on topics to touch on, that would help too.
Anyhoo… if you have anything handy that you can put up for me to download, it would be greatly appreciated.
song19 aka Tigerlily
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HELP need some hard hitting pdfs
by song19 in(fyi i am not dfed or daed) i am being shunned by my mom and yesterday my dad told me he would shun me if i became apostate.
i swear he has no idea what he is talking about since i asked him who told him that and he asked, doesnt the bible?.
although i have sent numerous emails, i think i need to finally face my father face to face.
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important counsel about the BS changes... puke
by song19 ini seem to be on a dubs spam list... anyhoo, i just recieved this now if you really want to read it.
hello, brothers and sisters:.
9 at that satan answered jehovah and said: "is it for nothing that jehovah's witness have feared god?
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I seem to be on a dubs spam list... anyhoo, I JUST recieved this now if you really want to read it.
Hello, brothers and sisters:
I want to share with you an important counsel that I received from a brother about the changes that will take next year about our book study. I hope it can be of help for you too!
Wendy A.
Barranquilla, Colombia
There are four main points to the letter about the book study change, I thought was very interesting:
1. Satan's anger is growing!
The first thing it talked about was Satan's anger is growing more intense toward Jehovah's people. We know that very shortly the Wild Beast (United Nations) will destroy Babylon the Great (False Religion), and try to stop Jehovah's Witnesses from meeting and preaching. The society is getting us prepared for when the whole world goes under ban and the kingdom halls are shut down. When that happens, we will already know how to conduct our meetings in a condensed format. We will need to meet in smaller groups at brother's homes. So when that time comes we will still get spiritual food, but in a quicker format so as to not arouse suspicion by our neighbors. Just like the brothers had to do it in Russia and Uzbekistan a Middle East country has recently gone under ban, the Government said it is to combat terrorism by not allowing religious groups to meet and preach.
2. Did you notice the reason to condense the meetings was NOT for more time in the field service, but more time for personal study?
The only thing that will get us thought the Great Tribulation is our Faith in Jehovah. The Governing Body is trying to prepare us for what is about to take place. They said to take that extra night and build up your knowledge and strengthen your faith. The time will soon come when we might not have the publications to study and the only things we will be able to recall and draw comfort from are the things that we have studied. We cannot recall what we do not know! The preaching work will continue and Jehovah is speeding it up, but how can we teach and help build peoples faith if we ourselves are not spiritually strong?
3. Do you remember the story of Job?
Job 1:9-12
9 At that Satan answered Jehovah and said: "Is it for nothing that Job has feared God? 10 Have not you yourself put up a hedge about him and about his house and about everything that he has all around? The work of his hands you have blessed, and his livestock itself has spread abroad in the earth. 11 But, for a change, thrust out your hand, please, and touch everything he has [and see] whether he will not curse you to your very face." 12 Accordingly Jehovah said to Satan: "Look! Everything that he has is in your hand. Only against him himself do not thrust out your hand!" So Satan went out away from the person of Jehovah.
Likewise today, It's all about Jehovah's universal sovereignty, his right to rule mankind. Also Satan said that humans would not love Jehovah without something in return. Our meetings and association are a blessing and protection from Jehovah. If they had added another meeting, most people would continue to go to the extra meeting. There they are fed the truth and get to fellowship with others and receive the protection and blessing from Jehovah. The Congregation is a spiritual hedge and a refuge for his people to recharge and get strengthened.
Satan told Jehovah that the only reason Job served God was because of the protection and blessing Jehovah gave to Job.
The same is true in our day; Jehovah is proving to Satan and every living thing, that people will worship him no matter what. By taking away a meeting he is giving us the chance to prove to him and Satan that we will worship him no matter what. That's why they said to do personal study on our own. We would not want to take the extra night to watch T.V. or surf the web, but to gain knowledge that leads to everlasting life through personal study.
Let's take this same scripture and apply it or our day:
Modified Version of Job 1:9-12 (not actual Bible text)
9 At that Satan answered Jehovah and said: "Is it for nothing that Jehovah's Witness have feared God? 10 Have not you yourself given them three times a week to get shelter from the world and receive encouragement and blessings from the congregation, and there they learn everything they need to know about you? The Elders call if they miss a meeting, their friends inquire about them if they are not there, because of this, they feel guilty for not going and only go to look good in front of their friends! 11 But, for a change, thrust out your hand, please, and take one meeting away, one chance they have to get encouragement and knowledge of you, and see if between Tuesday and Sunday they turn to doing bad. See if they learn about you on their own time. The Elders and their friends will not know if they had taken the time for personal study, for only you, me and the angels, will know. For this reason, I tell you, television and the Internet will be their personal study". 12 Accordingly Jehovah said to Satan: "Look! One chance they have to get encouragement and knowledge of me I will take away, and lets see if between Tuesday and Sunday they turn to doing bad or if they follow my direction and do personal study, proving you are a liar"! So Satan went out away from the person of Jehovah.
Who will you show has the right to rule mankind?
4. Continued Separating of the sheep and the goats!
In talking with other witness in different parts of the United States is it very clear that there are two different reactions to the change going to take place in 2009 with our book studies.
The first group is so happy to have the extra night off to relax, watch television or go out to dinner and so on. They only hear what they want to hear and not the true reason for the change. These people will most likely not listen to the direction and do more personal study and we know Satan always go after the weak first.
The second group realizes the seriousness of the change and will heed the warnings given by Jehovah through the faithful slave. These ones will study harder and be prepared for the Fall of Babylon the Great!
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Could you suggest a better way to word this to mom?
by New light for you ini'm trying to figure out how to word what i have to say to mom, and i'm just not cuttin it.
here's the story...came in the "truth" with mom, i was 13, she was going thru a divorce.
she's convinced to this day that we would have no relationship if it wasn't for the fact that we found the witnesses.
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Hi New Light for you
I am in the process of writing my mom and email too. I have recently added a paragraph pretty much relaying what whitman sad. The email also revolves around the history of our relationship and the pain I feel. In the end, I plan to attach a copy of confessions letter that he wrote to his mother. I don't know if she'll read it, but if she doesn't than "she doesn't love me enough" as the letter will end up leaving her to believe. My mother and I have a rocky relationship and the pain of it is too much to bear any longer. It's like me leaving has finally given her an excuse to avoid me and to completely shun my husband... even though we're technically still in. It's my hope that by the time she is done reading the letter, she'll feel she has to read the attached... my hopes anyway.
Confesssion’s letter amazed me, and I think that if anyone reads it, they will start to think... whether it be right away or in a short time... but they will start to think… how can it not.
anyhoo, that's my plan.
hugs friend!!!
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Convention attendee harassed by attendants
by song19 ini found this youtube video very entertaining and enlightening..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbjxhljc6ko.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq12p-g1560.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5dm4g9btlw.
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posted those videos in response to Terry's post about being asked to leave a convention before he even got through the door.
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Convention attendee harassed by attendants
by song19 ini found this youtube video very entertaining and enlightening..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbjxhljc6ko.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq12p-g1560.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5dm4g9btlw.
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song19
... sorry, it was my first time posting a youtube clip here... didn't work the first time.
I was thoroughly entertained by what happened.
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Convention attendee harassed by attendants
by song19 ini found this youtube video very entertaining and enlightening..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbjxhljc6ko.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq12p-g1560.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5dm4g9btlw.
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song19
I found this youtube video very entertaining and enlightening....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBJXHlJc6Ko
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Excommunication/Disfellowshipping is pagan practice--by request!
by Atlantis inexcommunication/disfellowshipping is pagan practice!--by request!
request from researcher: hi atlantis or n. or whoever!
one of my friends on the board said that she downloaded the 1947 awake pdf that "bereanbiblestudent and invetigator 74" posted, and in the first issue on page 26, it said that excommunication or disfellowshipping was a pagan practice.
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HOOOOLLLLLLYYYYYYY SHIIIIIIIII
that is insane
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Does this sound familiar?
by Prov1320 incouldn't help but post this recent strip.. doesn't it sound familiar?
the first caption should read: "through considerable prayer and discussion, the gb has decided to provide web cams for congregation elders to keep a loving watch over you.
" lol.
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good one hon...
Typical JW... clueless
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Elder calling around
by Am ha·a'ret ini'm a new member as i've not completely left the org yet and being a "good lil jw" would never have looked at a site like this previously!
there is one elder in the cong who calls around every so often to "chat" as i only stopped attending meeting a couple of months ago.
i've spoken to him about certain subjects - eg the un thing and the misuse of quotes - but he has no useful answers for me.
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There are some very good points made thus far. You don't want to give the elder any ammo, even if he appears to be sincerely caring. If you wish to simply fade, it is best to be as low key as possible.
Welcome to the site! Can't help but agree with what others have said... and my hubby too.... don't draw attention to yourself if you don't want to get the big D and F.
Glad you're here.
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"An Encouraging email"- i really almost threw up.....
by New light for you inok.... are you a glutton for punishment?
you'll love this "encouraging email"..... .
i just received this experience from a friend, how loving a father jehovah is!!!
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don't know what to say other than
my mom prayed for 20 years to move back to where her family was... 20 years it took. She still to this day believes God finally answered her prayer.