no way, they do not allow for reform or disent; they are responsible for many deaths (blood doctrine); they are judgemental; they are really a publishing corporation not a religion; last but not least they lie.
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Would You "Technically" Remain A Jehovah's Witness If There Were No Sanctions Involved?
by minimus inmany of us have drifted.
we know it isn't the truth but we might not have officially resigned as jws.
many catholics are nominal catholics and they are not shunned or avoided because of their not going to church or confession.. would you remain a jw if the organization didn't punish you for your inactivity?.
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IDENTIFY who is speaking in this RIDDLE:
by Terry in"i am the mother, and i am the daughter.
i am the wife and i am the whore.
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I am a bit confused myself to be honest lalliv, and I can see how you came to your conclusion. I had to look it up myself. The feminine side of "god" is the "I am" that the Gnostic writers attribute to the narrator of the poem.
I think this is way to deep for me, a poor agnostic to grasp lol
Here is what the commentator says with regards this poem
Thunder, Perfect Mind (NHC VI,2) presents the revelation discourse of a female divinity who speaks alternately in first-person statements of identity ("I AM") and second-person address. The text's parallelism of structure, together with its extensive use of antithesis, paradox, and other literary devices, point clearly to its poetic or hymnic character. B. Layton has argued persuasively that the paradoxical and often outrageous pairing of antithetical terms in the "I AM" statements of Thunder can be read as a complex identity riddle to be solved by the knowing or "gnostic" reader. At the same time, attention to various features of the text as a whole suggests that it is not only the mystery of the speaker's identity, but the relationship between the divine speaker and her human hearers that forms the exegetical crux of the text.
Thunder focuses attention on the hearers' relationship to the divine speaker not only through its alternating structure of first-person proclamation and second-person address, but also through its metaphorical imagery of kinship and gender, its references to the audience's responses to the divine, and its claims about the speaker's role in the operations of language and intellect. Its persistent, uncompromising use of paradox pushes its hearers to relinquish the apparent sense of its words and to seek the hidden meaning of individual utterances and of the discourse as a whole. Finally, by locating the divine in the "voice" and "hearing" of the text, it leads its hearers or readers to find the divine within the text and within themselves, and so to discover themselves within the divine. In such an interpretive movement of letting go and finding, of becoming sober and being found, the text's final words suggest, the reader "goes up" to the salvific "place of rest," "finds" the divine persona revealed in the text, and "enters into" a state of living and not dying again.
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How much is gas in your area?
by Outaservice inalso, do you think gas prices affects the jw field service any?.
here it is approximately $2.69 per gallon.
i heard in michigan it is $2.99 right now.. outaservice.
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3.20 om rt 95 in nyc
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IDENTIFY who is speaking in this RIDDLE:
by Terry in"i am the mother, and i am the daughter.
i am the wife and i am the whore.
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No lalliv the poem is refering to that the speaker is the begining middle and end, it also refers to being the wisdom of all things great and small
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IDENTIFY who is speaking in this RIDDLE:
by Terry in"i am the mother, and i am the daughter.
i am the wife and i am the whore.
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hmm the wtbs would have a fit with this lol. is that the reason they changed " i am that i am" to " i shall prove to be what i shall prove to be" , in Exodus 3:14 of the NWT of the bible ?
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IDENTIFY who is speaking in this RIDDLE:
by Terry in"i am the mother, and i am the daughter.
i am the wife and i am the whore.
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wisdom, or known in the eastern Christian Church as the bride of Christ, The mother sophia suposedly ransomes the daughter sophia with her brother/ husband christ.
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by Terry in"i am the mother, and i am the daughter.
i am the wife and i am the whore.
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I can quote the info, however I really do not understand the theology behind the belief Terry. Please enlighten me.
Sophia is the Feminine Aspect of God, according to Gnostics. In the hierarchy, as listed... Ein Sof (the over-God) who created all things; Sophia, the female aspect of Ein Sof, who became aware and created Eve as a sacrifice of herself for Adam; Yahweh, the accidental creator of the flawed world and Adam (by bringing an Angel down and enclosing him in flesh as an act of cruelty)
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IDENTIFY who is speaking in this RIDDLE:
by Terry in"i am the mother, and i am the daughter.
i am the wife and i am the whore.
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after plugging in terry's hints I am sure it is sophia ( The hints where close to Nag Hammadi, Thunder , perfect mind) They pointed me to gnostic beliefs the primary one being sophia (also known as wisdom) the female face of god)
Thunder, Perfect Mind
For I am the first and the last.
I am the honored one and the scorned one.
I am the whore and the holy one.
I am the wife and the virgin.
I am the mother and the daughter.
I am the members of my mother.
I am the barren one- and many are her sons.
I am she whose wedding is great,- and I have not taken a husband.
I am the midwife and she who does not bear.
I am the solace of my labor pains.
I am the bride and the bridegroom,- and it is my husband who begot me.
I am the mother of my father- and the sister of my husband
- and he is my offspring.
I am the slave of him who prepared me.
I am the ruler of my offspring.
But he is the one who begot me before the time on a birthday.
And he is my offspring in (due) time,
and my power is from him.
I am the staff of his power in his youth,
and he is the rod of my old age.
And whatever he wills happens to me.
I am the silence that is incomprehensible and the idea whose remembrance is frequent.
I am the voice whose sound is manifold and the word whose appearance is multiple.
I am the utterance of my name. - and many are her sons.
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by Terry in"i am the mother, and i am the daughter.
i am the wife and i am the whore.
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there are three possible answers that i came up with. Sophia being the most likely. All of them have similar quotes associated with them.
Sophia
Babalon
or rome
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Natick, MA Assembly Hall
by Eiben Scrood ini have a lot of memories of attending assemblies there for 30 years.
does anyone remember all the purple coloring?
remember that guy who used to wave a stick like he was conducting an orchestra except there was no orchestra, only a guy playing the piano and the audience singing?.
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I was baptized there, I remember how nice the pond looked before they fenced it in so no one could use it. I directed the tv control board once, I never did again due to the restrictions put on me. ( what shots to take, how many times you could change the camera angle) no wonder everyone talked in cafeteria during the sessions. The program on tv was the ultimate in boring. lol