Posts by Henriksen

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Any Ex-JW's from South Africa here?

by SYN in

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does anyone who chats here live in south africa?

i feel a bit lonely, haven't really seen anyone from sa here yet.... "i see no good reasons why the views given in this volume should shock the religious sensibilities of anyone.

" -- charles darwin, the origin of species, 1869.

Henriksen

I know an ex-JW from SA living here in Denmark. If interessed to get in touch with him I'll let him know.

SBR Henriksen

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Raymond Franz and UN (part 2)

by Henriksen in

on december 20 hawk wrote:.

re: raymond franz and un dec 20, 2001 20:41 .

quote:.

Henriksen

To: biblexaminer

Listen. If you re-examine the posts you are "quoting" from, you will see that I posted this...he is keeping tabs on the whole affair but didn't seem overly intested.

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough in my writting. My point wasn't to draw in Ray, only a question for help or a cloue on how to search on the UN archives.

To: sf

Thanks for the references, but I already know of them.

SBR Henriksen

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Raymond Franz and UN (part 2)

by Henriksen in

on december 20 hawk wrote:.

re: raymond franz and un dec 20, 2001 20:41 .

quote:.

Henriksen

On December 20 hawk wrote:

Re: Raymond Franz and UN Dec 20, 2001 20:41
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quote:
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he is keeping tabs on the whole affair but didn't seem overly intested.
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Interesting but I am a little suprised.
Why?
Remember this is a man who took a whole chapter (6 if I remember) to "slam" the WTS and the GB over its Malawi policy and another chapter over military service.
This chapter 6 of C of C was by far a killer from my point of view.
One would think if one take great pains to expose what happened in Mexico for Malawi and the military duty stuff, he would be interested in this business.
hawk

I'm in some way sure of that Ray Franz must know something about the WTS and GB's attitude concerning cooperating with the UN.

Some years ago while doing some research on The Watch Tower Movement and the early history of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Africa I read an article mentioning some sort of cooperation between WTS and UN during the persecution of JW in Malawi/Mozambique in the 70s. I can't find my copy of the article, but maybe those of you in US might find something in the archives of the UN on this subject?

SBR Henriksen

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Cross and Crown

by Henriksen in

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some years ago when i did some reseach on the early history of jw and life of russll i read some quote about the cross and crown symbol.. one of them was about how russells attention was brought to the cross and crown symbol by a fellowbeliver.

i think one qoute was from an early zions watchtower, but i'm not sure.

are there somebody who can help me with this quote?.

Henriksen

Hej Bereoa,

Hyggeligt at se lidt dansk på disse sider. Mht. Russell og Tempelridderne/frimureri så er jeg særdeles skeptisk over for disse tanker, og jeg har endnu ikke set noget der har kunnet tilnærmelsesvis overbevise mig.

Hilsen fra en der var engang
SBR Henriksen

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Cross and Crown

by Henriksen in

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some years ago when i did some reseach on the early history of jw and life of russll i read some quote about the cross and crown symbol.. one of them was about how russells attention was brought to the cross and crown symbol by a fellowbeliver.

i think one qoute was from an early zions watchtower, but i'm not sure.

are there somebody who can help me with this quote?.

Henriksen

Hi unclebruce,

Randy's site is interesting, but not what I'm looking for.

It is a quote which talk about one of Russell’s fellow believers who had seen the Cross and Crown symbol and proposed to Russell that they could use it to – and that Russell agreed in doing so.

I can’t find my notes on the subject right now, but I remember from my research then that there could be good reason to believe that the reason why they adopted this symbol could be seen in the light activity of Mary Eddy Baker (Christian Science). What gave me this idea was an article or book by Charles C. Cook or maybe William Trawers Ellis where is was shown that there was a pattern in Russell’s way of promoting himself: Copying others names and way doing something in a way that his behaviour was less unfamiliar.

Cheers
SBR Henriksen

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Cross and Crown

by Henriksen in

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friends

some years ago when i did some reseach on the early history of jw and life of russll i read some quote about the cross and crown symbol.. one of them was about how russells attention was brought to the cross and crown symbol by a fellowbeliver.

i think one qoute was from an early zions watchtower, but i'm not sure.

are there somebody who can help me with this quote?.

Henriksen

Hi,

Some years ago when I did some reseach on the early history of JW and life of Russll I read some quote about the cross and crown symbol.

One of them was about how Russells attention was brought to the cross and crown symbol by a fellowbeliver. I think one qoute was from an early Zions Watchtower, but I'm not sure. Are there somebody who can help me with this quote?

SBR Henriksen

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Cyril Lykkebo Malka

by Kent in

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hi folks .

a guy named cyril lykkebo malka, who made a lot of trouble with the danish support group for ex-jws, is making trouble for every ex-jw website who carries material printed by the danish christian newspaper "kristelig dagblad".. malka, it seems, seeks up these sites, and the journalist sends threats to the webowners about removing the material.. on malka's own website, http://www.malka.dk you will find that this joker steals material as anybody else, and he's been stealing lots of material from the watchtower observer, like documents from the hlc, pay attention, and other material.. he never tells anyone where he got the material, but he does write some interesting stuff:.

he publishes material printed in african newspapers (translated), and tells his readers kristelig dagblad has printed this story "slightly changed"!.

Henriksen

To Cyril:

Since you asked, Soeren. I have putted back my site about you and the things you have done online again. It can be found at
http://www.multimania.com/counselling

Yes I asked, but why don't you answer my questions?

Your "story" on your multimania-site has nothing to do with my questions what so ever. It only shows you as a very gifted fantasy novelist with absolutely no sense for reality. The main point of you site is to display me as a man who tries to be a copy of you, and as it fails you wants to give the reader the impression that I since then have tried to fight against you because I couldn't be you.

Is that a way to give documentation to your claims?

What will they see? When you can't answer you simply tell a lie!

Well Cyril, listen to yourself!

I noticed that you didn't answer the questions I asked, but speak about something else. You refer to a news. I have actually complained about your site to Get2net to make it removed. It was removed shortly after. If it isn't on purpose, it is a funny coincidence, and of course I will change this...

Get real Cyril. Since the end of December 2000 there have been no documents on http://hjem.get2net.dk/dialogos.counselling/ onlylinks to the site http://www.dialogos-counselling.dk.

Further more: How can you give complains to non-existing documents?

And by the way: On December 5th I contacted Get2net A/S and asked them to give me an answer on whether or not the site http://hjem.get2net.dk/dialogos.counselling/ have been or is closed by them. The Customer Service at Get2net A/S wrote to me on the same day with this answer:

"After a check of our database on this custom number xxx I have not found anything that indicates that the website is closed nor have been closed.
Signed,
Get2net Kundeservice"

Did you or did you not help The Scientology just to get me down?
You never frankly answered this question, but speak of something else.

Well, then read my answer once again!

bye
SBR Henriksen

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Cyril Lykkebo Malka

by Kent in

jw
friends

hi folks .

a guy named cyril lykkebo malka, who made a lot of trouble with the danish support group for ex-jws, is making trouble for every ex-jw website who carries material printed by the danish christian newspaper "kristelig dagblad".. malka, it seems, seeks up these sites, and the journalist sends threats to the webowners about removing the material.. on malka's own website, http://www.malka.dk you will find that this joker steals material as anybody else, and he's been stealing lots of material from the watchtower observer, like documents from the hlc, pay attention, and other material.. he never tells anyone where he got the material, but he does write some interesting stuff:.

he publishes material printed in african newspapers (translated), and tells his readers kristelig dagblad has printed this story "slightly changed"!.

Henriksen

Dear Britt,

I'm impressed - you read my answers and questions to Cyril as the Devil reads the Bible.

E.g. Cyril wrote:
SBH knew that DJF didn't sued people without money, so he put his site (and Dialogos Counselling - help to people in distress because of cults!) down, so he hadn't to pay the bill. Dialogos Counselling exists no more.
Then you, SBH argue: Could I get documentation for the fact that KD closed this page?

No - my answer was:

3. Is it correct or not, that you then put your "Dialogos Counselling" down because you then didn't have to pay this bill?
No. The discussion about closing down the association "Dialogos Counselling" began at the end of spring 2001. On October 4th a letter was sent the members of the association for a meeting on October 20 where the agenda was to close down the association. On this meeting it was decided by a unanimous vote close down the association from that day on.

My argument in question concerns the claims raised by Cyril on his French website and the Danish mailing list, not his mail of December 1st, which you're refering to!

SBR Henriksen

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Cyril Lykkebo Malka

by Kent in

jw
friends

hi folks .

a guy named cyril lykkebo malka, who made a lot of trouble with the danish support group for ex-jws, is making trouble for every ex-jw website who carries material printed by the danish christian newspaper "kristelig dagblad".. malka, it seems, seeks up these sites, and the journalist sends threats to the webowners about removing the material.. on malka's own website, http://www.malka.dk you will find that this joker steals material as anybody else, and he's been stealing lots of material from the watchtower observer, like documents from the hlc, pay attention, and other material.. he never tells anyone where he got the material, but he does write some interesting stuff:.

he publishes material printed in african newspapers (translated), and tells his readers kristelig dagblad has printed this story "slightly changed"!.

Henriksen

To Cyril,

In your mail of December 1st you wrote: »I can (at the opposite of others!) document everything I say, all you need to do is ask.«

Now where I have answered some of your questions I think it’s about time for you to provide some **documentation** on the claims listed below. You have published those claims on your French website and on your Danish mailing-list "sekter" (October 21, 2001):

You claim . . .

. . . that the web-site http://hjem.get2net.dk/dialogos.counselling/ has been closed by the Internet provider Get2net A/S caused by material on the site that was illegal or could lead to lawsuits.

Documentation please!

. . . that Dialogos Counselling on a local TV-station (TV-STOP) should have displayed newspaper articles as if they were written by the association itself or its property.

Documentation please!

. . . that Tiscali A/S has closed the web site http://www.dialogos-counselling.dk/ on account of a complain from the Danish newspaper Kristeligt Dagblad.

Documentation please!

Your promised: »I can document everything I say, all you need to do is ask.«? I hereby ask you!

I’m waiting.. .. ..
Søren Bo Rødgaard Henriksen

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Cyril Lykkebo Malka

by Kent in

jw
friends

hi folks .

a guy named cyril lykkebo malka, who made a lot of trouble with the danish support group for ex-jws, is making trouble for every ex-jw website who carries material printed by the danish christian newspaper "kristelig dagblad".. malka, it seems, seeks up these sites, and the journalist sends threats to the webowners about removing the material.. on malka's own website, http://www.malka.dk you will find that this joker steals material as anybody else, and he's been stealing lots of material from the watchtower observer, like documents from the hlc, pay attention, and other material.. he never tells anyone where he got the material, but he does write some interesting stuff:.

he publishes material printed in african newspapers (translated), and tells his readers kristelig dagblad has printed this story "slightly changed"!.

Henriksen

To Cyril Malka,

At the very end of your mail of December 1, you wrote: »Now, since you participate to this debate about taking me down, and just make an "EOD" when things get hot, I would suggest you answer those questions or admit what you did (at least! A bit of honnesty!).«

Since you ask for honesty I’ll not only give answer to your four questions but also add some comments to your other claims:

In between, I have writen that I was a counsellor for the Ex-Jws group in Denmark, which is correct, (you can read about this in a early book of the ex-Jw's magazines in Denmark!).

This is not true, and I would indeed like to se your "documentation"! According to the letters below you have NEVER been a counsellor or consultant to the Danish group of ex-JW "Støttegruppen for Tidligere Jehovas Vidner"!!!

Søren Bo Henriksen, was asked by Scientology if I was a counsellor for the group while he was president of it. To this question, he answered "no", which is correct, as he only was vice president while I was a counselor.

No, not true. In a letter dated July 19, 2000 Knud Jespersen wrote on behalf of the chairman Jørn Osbæck and Gudrun Jespersen (chairwomen during the time in question 1989-1995):

»Støttegruppen as an association had knowledge of the man through a part of the 1990’s and as far as we remember he has given two talks to us, one in Nyborg around 1992 and later on one in Copenhagen. Besides that he had together with his wife at that time helped Støttegruppen writing applications to different funds for financial means to our work.

Cyril Malka has never been a member of Støttegruppen and he has never been any kind of consultant to us, .. .. .. In fairness it has to be added that he has offered his help for a fee, which Støttegruppen never have made use of. .. .. ..

So when You write that "he has been a consultant for Støttegruppen for Tidligere Jehovas Vidner for a number of years", we have to emphasize very clearly that it is an evasion of facts.«

And here is (as a supplement to the letter from Knud Jespersen dated July 19) what I wrote in my letter (dated August 1) to Scientology concerning Cyril Malkas role above in connection with Støttegruppen:

»Today I received your letter of July 31 in which you ask whether or not Mr. Cyril Malka has carried out consulting work for Støttegruppen for Tidligere Jehovas Vidner during the period when I was chairman (November 1995 to November 1999). The answer is no.

Regarding the claim of Mr. Cyril Malka that he have been a consultant to Støttegruppen for Tidligere Jehovas Vidner I’m able to give additional information to the answer given by the committee member Knud Jespersen in his letter dated July 19. The period in which Mr. Cyril Malka on behalf of Støttegruppen wrote and mailed applications to different funds for financial support covers the period from February 1993 until the fall of 1993, when he in a letter to the association dated October 2, 1993 announces that he no longer wishes to do so.

The nearest we have been to a cooperation between Støttegruppen for Tidligere Jehovas Vidner and Mr. Cyril Malka appears from a letter dated March 16, 1993 from Mr. Cyril Malka addressed to the former chairman Gudrun Jespersen. In this letter Cyril Malka for a symbolic amount offers to work for Støttegruppen with evaluation of therapists who offer help to former members of Jehovah’s Witnesses. The offer was refused.«

It is also correct that Søren Bo Henriksen had made a kind of "cyber" helping page, which was called "Dialogos Counselling". As his habit, even the name wasn't his idea: Dialogos came from "DialogCenter", and SBH took the name from there. He called it Dialogos Counselling, so he registered the letters DC (as in Dialog Center) and tried to sue the Dialog Center hereafter... How great!

I would *very much* like to se documentation on these statements about Dialogos Counselling or me truing to sue Dialogcentret.
In fact the case is as follows: In the fall of 1998 I (as chairman of Dialogos Counselling) received a letter from "Dialogcentret" (which is way the organisation is registered and thereby the correct way to write it!) in which they wrote that they would bring Dialogos Counselling to court if necessary to prevent us from using the name "Dialogos/Dialogos Counselling". After some corresponding with Dialogcentret and their lawyer Peter Gabrielsen they withdrew their claims as the name and logo DC-Dialogos Counselling was and still is recognised and registered by the Danish authorities.

And for the record:

1) I have used the name “Dialogos/Dialogos Counselling” since march 1995 (on the Internet from 02/1997) and in June 1998 I turned over this name to a new association of which I was co-founder.

2) Dialogcenter’s chairman Johannes Aagaard has from the beginning had knowledge of me using the name Dialogos Counselling and did not object to this before I withdrew form the Dialogcenter in 1998.

1. Did you or did you not help the sect Scientology against me? Even though you KNEW it was to be used in a case against Scientology? The letter was written by Karna Jensen on Scientolgys own letter paper and it was said, it was to be used in a court of law. did you, or did you not help them against me?

I received a letter from Scientology on August 1st 1999 which I quite correctly answered the same day as I always try to do with all my letters, no matter who the sender is. If answering a letter is help, then let it be so. (se above)

2. Did you or did you not got a letter from Anne Korsholm, in a standard of DJF saying you had to pay a bill for the illegal use of her paper about NLP where my wife, Britt, and me were the source?

No, I didn’t, but Dialogos Counselling received a letter from Anne Korsholm October 16 (dated October 12), and *not* "in a standard of DJF".

3. Is it correct or not, that you then put your "Dialogos Counselling" down because you then didn't have to pay this bill?

No. The discussion about closing down the association "Dialogos Counselling" began at the end of spring 2001. On October 4th a letter was sent the members of the association for a meeting on October 20 where the agenda was to close down the association. On this meeting it was decided by a unanimous vote close down the association from that day on.

4. Is it correct or not, that you tried to frame me, that you tried to make me look like if I have pulled myself as a "psychologist" (as I have never tried to!) to different people, press or people, as for example my former patient: Judy Prescott? (she authorized me to use her name and mails to you if needed! those would be send to anyone who want to know the truth!)

No, it is not true. Concerning Judy Presscott she sent me an e-mail on June 3, 1999 asking me if I could recommend you as a therapist.

On June 6. 1999 I wrote: »Concerning Cyril Malka I wont state anything about the quality of his psychological knowledge and experience, but from my own experiences concerning former members of Jehovahs Witnesses I can't recommend him, rather the opposite.«

On June 7. I received another e-mail, where I was asked why I couldn't recommend Cyril Malka:

June 9., I answered: »It is not a lack of knowledge to his psychology that was the reason for not giving a more specific answer about his "psychological quality" but the fact that I know him personally very well and I know that there with good reason can be given critic to his use of "psychoanalyst"

The title "psychoanalyst" is not protected as it is the case with "Psychologist". This means that everybody may call himself or herself "psychoanalyst" in Denmark without having the same qualifications and competence as the psychologists have. In Denmark when Cyril Malka describe himself as psychoanalyst it is expected that the (as well as others) have a psychological education (from the University), which is not the case.«

Now, since you participate to this debate about taking me down, and just make an "EOD" when things get hot, I would suggest you answer those questions or admit what you did (at least! A bit of honnesty!).

Yes, Cyril Malka it would be nice with to se you practice ‘A bit of honesty!’ yourself.

Bye
SBR Henriksen