Let them try to obey the governing body up to 100%. Then they will reap the fruits. Untill they do not press themselves to the limit in obeying the governing body they won't understand and question their unscriptural requirements. I tried this way and got to do all what they required and came to the understanding.
Kosonen
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Aug. 15th WT- "Jehovah Only Loves Those Who Obey the Governing Body "
by flipper inonce again our lurking jw friend sent us this latest mind control drivel from the " witness only " watchtower.
remember - this is the information our jw relatives will study in their witness meetings at their watchtower study.
this is what they are currently being indoctrinated with.
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How old were you when you were baptized as a JW, and what was it like?
by BonaFide ini was baptized at 15 years old.
a brother toutjian gave the talk.
it was the circuit assembly.
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Kosonen
I was 13. And for me the baptism was like you wrote, Bonafide:
I mean, it really was a special day for me. Even now, when I realize it was for a corporation, to me it wasn't back then. I had no idea about the "Watchtower Corporation." I thought I had dedicated my life to God and was making a public declaration of that by water baptism. I wanted to serve God, I really did.
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How does the Annointed that survive Har-maggedon get to Heaven?
by Mad Dawg injust wondering, the wts teaches:.
that the annointed (the 144k) will rule from heaven.bodies of flesh can't enter heaven (therefore the annointed must die at some time to get to heaven).that there will be annointed that survive the big a.that those who are faithful after the big a will never die.if one becomes unfaithful after the big a, they will be destroyed.if all of the above are true, then any annointed caught on earth at the time of the big a will be stuck here forever and have no way to get to heaven.
do i have this right, or have i missed something?.
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Kosonen
Here are some scriptures about the resurection to heaven and rapture and the time point:
51 Look! I tell YOU a sacred secret: We shall not all fall asleep [in death], but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 1 Corinthians 15:51,52
15 For this is what we tell YOU by Jehovah’s word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord shall in no way precede those who have fallen asleep [in death]; 16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. 17 Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with [the] Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
8 And another, a second angel, followed, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, she who made all the nations drink of the wine of the anger of her fornication!” (.....) 13 And I heard a voice out of heaven say: “Write: Happy are the dead who die in union with [the] Lord from this time onward. Yes, says the spirit, let them rest from their labors, for the things they did go right with them.” Revelation 14:8,13
So the resurection to heaven according to the Bible begins after the destruction of Babylon. Then a 1260 days, also mentioned as 42 months and 3 and half years will elapse during which the choosen ones if they die or are killed get resurected immediately.
But then the rest of the choosen ones will not die but they will be changed from being humans to be spirits. Jesus tells when it will happen in following scriptures:
30 And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity. -Matthew 24:30,31
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The Anointed "Touch" Given WT Publications
by compound complex inwho actually supplies the "food"?.
there were, of course, articles that did come through from "anointed" brothers in different countries.
[footnote #37: in almost all cases the article came because president knorr had sent an assignment to the person to write it.
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Kosonen
Interesting. It becomes more and more evident that they are the today's scribes and Pharisees, real hypocrites!
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Quick Questions For When A JW Knocks Your Door
by besty inanybody like to contribute a few suggested questions - should be less that 12 words.. .
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Kosonen
According to the Revelation-climax-book we live in the time of the second woe, but why does the third woe begin with the birth of God's Kingdom?
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10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why?
by Witness 007 injapan had a handful of witnesses after ww 2....this number skyrocketed to 222,912 by 1998!
then something happened.
publisher figures didn't stop, they dropped by thousands over the next decade!.
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Kosonen
Japan is propably emptied of "fish". It does not get better the more hours they spend in preaching.
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Comments from today's meeting -- Following the Lamb!
by Ultimate Reality ini went today because i wanted to hear the comments on this wt article.. it did not disappoint.
one comment that summed things up:.
"i know i can trust the slave because everything i have ever read from the slave has been for my benefit.
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Kosonen
I went there too and how they gloryfied the slave. An elder mentioned how loving the slave is when they skiped one meeting. It seems that nobody dares to say what the slave was while requiring meeting-attendance 3 times a week. But an other former elder nicely questioned what it means that the bookstudy was skiped, because all the years it was said that the bookstudy will be important when the end comes. But he added that we will undestand it later.
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Kosonen
I was at the circuit assembly both days, a week ago and there was not a single word about 1914 this time and not a word about apostates either. Intresting could it mean something? We'll wait and see.
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Kosonen
I have enjoyed to read his posts too. Way to disfellowship him from here? I am waiting for more news from his congregation.
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Humility
by Olin Moyles Ghost inwhen discussing doubts/concerns/disagreements about wt doctrines/practices with active jws, have any of you ever been accused of not being humble enough?
this seems to be a common jw reaction to anyone who disagrees/questions the wt society.
sometimes it is expressed as do you think you know more than the fds?
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Kosonen
What you say sounds and is very right. I was also accused of not being humble.
But consider what Jesus said: But from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of the heavens is the goal toward which men press, and those pressing forward are seizing it. (Matthew 11:12)
So according to Jesus you have to press forward. You can just sit and what for the WT-society if you want to enter the Kingdom of God.
Then they missaply 2John 9 -11:
Everyone that pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God. He that does remain in this teaching is the one that has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to YOU and does not bring this teaching, never receive him into YOUR homes or say a greeting to him. 11 For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works.
The scripture talks about the teaching of the Christ, it does not say the teaching of the Watchtower or the "Governing Body". The Bible should be the authority to all associated to the Watchtower-society, but when there is a contradicion between the WT and the Bible the JW:s chose the WT.