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  What is Self-deception?

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  i googles about self-deception and found many articles about it.

  it is a thing reseachers in psychology have studied.. here is a quote from an article that describes it.

  and it is interesting because of so many ideas about how to understand the bible.

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  • The NWT is itself a deception. Why are you using that? Is this not an exJW site or did I miss something?

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  What is Self-deception?

  by Kosonen in

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  2. friends

  i googles about self-deception and found many articles about it.

  it is a thing reseachers in psychology have studied.. here is a quote from an article that describes it.

  and it is interesting because of so many ideas about how to understand the bible.

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  A few Bible verses to have in mind in order to avoid self-deception:

  Proverbs 15:22 Plans fail when there is no consultation, But there is accomplishment through many advisers.

  Proverbs 3:7 Do not become wise in your own eyes.

  
  

  1 John 4:1 Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired statement, but test the inspired statements to see whether they originate with God,

  
  
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  Encouraging scriptures for the day

  by Kosonen in

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  hello my friends,.

  here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.

  revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).

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  Some scriptures about love for today:

  1 Corinthians 13:2 And if I have the gift of prophecy and understand all the sacred secrets and all knowledge, and if I have all the faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.

  
  

  Revelation 2:3 You are also showing endurance, and you have persevered for the sake of my name and have not grown weary. 4 Nevertheless, I hold this against you, that you have left the love you had at first.
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  In Response to Anony Mous regarding the 144,000 and other questions...

  by EasyPrompt in

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  still, you hold onto false teachings of the wtbts which are only there for the enrichment of its chiefs.. as pointed out, the rest of the book of revelation is figurative, yet you hold that the number 144,000 is literal.

  the wtbts currently says that this number is limited to those running the wtbts and that anyone claiming to be part of it outside that self-selecting group could be mentally ill.. by what reasoning (not from wtbts origin) do you believe only 144,000 people will be ‘saved’, and how do you know who is part of this self-selected group, given virtually no other religious denomination does even remotely believe in the literalism of revelation.

  do they have to be jws?

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  Hi Anony Mouse, I agree with EasyPromts' explanations here above, not because of the WT organization, but this is the result after I examined the matter independantly from people's opinions.

  And conserning the statement in Revelation 7:4 that they come from every tribe of Israel. Revelation 7:5-8 reveal that it is not from the fleshly Israel, because it mentiones tribe of Joseph that never existed. And it omits the tribe of Efraim that existed. This discrepancy signals that Revelation 7:4 is not about Israel according to the flesh.
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  What is Self-deception?

  by Kosonen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i googles about self-deception and found many articles about it.

  it is a thing reseachers in psychology have studied.. here is a quote from an article that describes it.

  and it is interesting because of so many ideas about how to understand the bible.

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  Vidqun, so true!
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  What is Self-deception?

  by Kosonen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i googles about self-deception and found many articles about it.

  it is a thing reseachers in psychology have studied.. here is a quote from an article that describes it.

  and it is interesting because of so many ideas about how to understand the bible.

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  Kosonen

  I googles about self-deception and found many articles about it. It is a thing reseachers in psychology have studied.

  Here is a quote from an article that describes it. And it is interesting because of so many ideas about how to understand the Bible. It is good to have in mind the danger of self- deception when we form our beliefs.

  https://www.123helpme.com/essay/Self-Deception-and-Absurdity-217557
  

  "Self-deception is described as a strong urge and desire to maintain or defend a belief or idea that one regards to be the truth even while there is strong evidence that the contrary is actually the truth (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy). Self-deception is “a way we justify false beliefs” and these rationalizations “may even produce it themselves” (Skeptic’s Dictionary; Perspectives, 117). Some views of self-deception suggest that it is an egoistic act, while others do not believe that this is necessarily true. There is also controversy over whether or not the deceiver is conscious of this incidence. That is, the dispute is over whether the deception is intentionally self-induced. Another debate examines whether or not this tendency is an everyday human occurrence. Self-deception must first be defined before arriving at the conclusion that it is an everyday occurrence because, according to one possible definition, self-deception is argued not to even exist. The process of defining this phenomenon can be very difficult and quarrelsome because of diverging views and opinions of the definition. Some may even argue that there are different categories of ‘self-deception’ that only loosely apply to actual self-deception and that this is why it is hard to come to conclusions on the subject (Van Leeuwen). The process of defining self-deception implicates a moral and social definition and understanding as well—questions such as, “Is self-deception immoral?” and, “Does society play a role in self-deception?” must be answered...."
  
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  Encouraging scriptures for the day

  by Kosonen in

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  hello my friends,.

  here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.

  revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).

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  Acts 17:11 Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thes·sa·lo·niʹca, for they accepted the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.

  James 1:19 Know this, my beloved brothers: Everyone must be quick to listen, slow to speak, slow to anger, 20 for man’s anger does not bring about God’s righteousness. 21 Therefore, put away all filthiness and every trace of badness, and accept with mildness the implanting of the word that is able to save you.
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  Encouraging scriptures for the day

  by Kosonen in

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  hello my friends,.

  here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.

  revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).

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  Matthew 26:41 Keep on the watch and pray continually, so that you may not enter into temptation. The spirit, of course, is eager, but the flesh is weak.”

  
  

  Luke 21:34 “But pay attention to yourselves that your hearts never become weighed down with overeating and heavy drinking and anxieties of life, and suddenly that day be instantly upon you 35 as a snare. For it will come upon all those dwelling on the face of the whole earth. 36 Keep awake, then, all the time making supplication that you may succeed in escaping all these things that must occur and in standing before the Son of man.”
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  Encouraging scriptures for the day

  by Kosonen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello my friends,.

  here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.

  revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).

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  We are free to make our personal conclusions. There are as we see many different conclusions to what Revelation 12 is about. I just checked what Wikipedia says. There were multiple variants from different sources.

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman_of_the_Apocalypse

  So let's pray for wisdom to understand things right.

  Because I personally hope to be able to flee from this system of things 3 and half years before the destruction of Babylon the Great. This would allow to escape from persecution, when the beast will persecute those who refuse to worship its image and take its mark.

  I would gladly help people to escape.
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  Encouraging scriptures for the day

  by Kosonen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello my friends,.

  here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.

  revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).

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  Interesting to see what Bible scholars think about the identity of the woman in Revelation 12.

  Here is a link https://lifehopeandtruth.com/prophecy/revelation/revelation-12/

  In short in that article they argue that the woman is the Church.

  Here is an other website and they argue also that the woman is the Church. https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets/the-book-of-revelation-unveiled/the-two-women-of-revelation

  Seems that christian Bible commentators have drawn the conclusion that the "woman" in Revelation is the Church on earth.

  That's what looks logical for me too.