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  Faith strengthening arkeological videos about Red Sea crossing, Sodom, Mount Sinai etc

  by Kosonen in

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  here you have it:.

  www.youtube.com/sygnate.

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  Kosonen

  Here you have it:

  www.youtube.com/sygnate
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  Is it exactly in time of Bible prophecy we live in?

  by Kosonen in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hellow everyone,.

  could it be that the japanees nuclear disaster is fullfilling this bible verse: and a third of the waters turned into wormwood, and many of the men died from the waters, because these had been made bitter.

  (revelation 8:11).

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  Hi Lore, I appreciated your comment and I'm happy that you regard it possible, that means that you are intersted in Bible prophecy and the Bible says: Happy is he who reads aloud and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and who observe the things written in it; for the appointed time is near. -Rev 1:3
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  Source of inside information for world events

  by Kosonen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hellow, i recommend to listen the latest news delivered by pastor lindsey williams.

  he has contact with the worlds absolute elite and they let him know what they are going to do to the middle east, the dollar, oil price etc.

  so here is a link to the latest news from him.

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  Hi lamallcool, concerning the discrediting video, what's wrong about selling information? But if you don't want to believe, it's up to you. But if you instead of trying to discredit this man, would listen to what he says and compare to what is happening in the world you would understand.
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  Is it exactly in time of Bible prophecy we live in?

  by Kosonen in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hellow everyone,.

  could it be that the japanees nuclear disaster is fullfilling this bible verse: and a third of the waters turned into wormwood, and many of the men died from the waters, because these had been made bitter.

  (revelation 8:11).

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  Hellow everyone,

  Could it be that the japanees nuclear disaster is fullfilling this bible verse: And a third of the waters turned into wormwood, and many of the men died from the waters, because these had been made bitter. (Revelation 8:11)

  Here it says the waters had been made bitter, could it refer to radioactive water? Hard to confirm right away but look at the prophetic event mentioned prior to this (Rev 8:8,9) : And something like a great mountain burning with fire was hurled into the sea. And a third of the sea became blood; 9 and a third of the creatures that are in the sea which have souls died, ...

  Was this the oil-rig disaster last year? Because the burning oil-rig which fell into the see could well fit to the description "a great mountain burning with fire was hurled into the sea" and the spilled oil was not black but red similar to blood. And the third of the see could refer to the mexican gulf.

  Even the prophecied event prior to this seems to fit what happened when the volcano erupted in Island last year (Rev 8:7): And there occurred a hail and fire mingled with blood, and it was hurled to the earth; and a third of the earth was burned up, and a third of the trees was burned up, and all the green vegetation was burned up.

  "A third of the earth was burned up" could refer to a third of Island.

  Also the events prior to this seems to fit the prophecy, it says "And thunders occurred and voices and lightnings and an earthquake." Prior to the oil-rig disaster and the volcanic eruption on Island there was a major earthquake on Haiti.

  So if this sequence of prophecy is now fullfilling, what is then the next major sign to happen? It says: And the fourth angel blew his trumpet. And a third of the sun was smitten and a third of the moon and a third of the stars, in order that a third of them might be darkened and the day might not have illumination for a third of it, and the night likewise.

  We'll see what that will be, but some say that a planet X is coming and it could happend that it would travel somewhere between the earth and the sun and thus cause a shadow so that a third of the sun would be darkened.

  Next in the prophecy, (Revelation 9:1-11) there is a locust plague, and after that a 200 million (2 myriads x myriads) army coming to kill a third of the worlds population (Revelation 9:13-21). There are reports coming that Chinas and Russia are angry with what NATO is doing in the middle east and this could trigger China to take over the Asia and Middle East while USA is going to default.

  After this the rest of mankind would welcome a global governance, the New World Order and this would result in hard times for christians for 3 and half years. Because they will pressure everyone to get the mark of the beast. Now I've seen not only RFID-chips but a patented idea to make a tattoo above the RFID-chip.

  So, hard times a head. Therefor: " seek Jehovah, all YOU meek ones of the earth, who have practiced His own judicial decision. Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably YOU may be concealed in the day of Jehovah’s anger. -Zeph 2:3

  And everyone doing bad things: Repent and turn around!
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  Source of inside information for world events

  by Kosonen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hellow, i recommend to listen the latest news delivered by pastor lindsey williams.

  he has contact with the worlds absolute elite and they let him know what they are going to do to the middle east, the dollar, oil price etc.

  so here is a link to the latest news from him.

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  Hellow, I recommend to listen the latest news delivered by pastor Lindsey Williams. He has contact with the worlds absolute elite and they let him know what they are going to do to the middle east, the dollar, oil price etc.

  So here is a link to the latest news from him. http://lindseywilliams101.blogspot.com/2011_06_20_archive.html
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  Needed Organizational Changes for WT

  by Kosonen in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am concerned about the spiritual welfare of the jehovah's witnesses.

  surely we all have noticed an unhealthy development in their leaders attitude, the "governing body".

  they have more and more begun to emphasize their importance and their power, in the literature and talks and thereby drawing unnecessary much attention to themselves.

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  Hi Maze, on paradisecafe forum melancholymuse had gathered a lot of scriptures showing how little was directed by apostles and older men from Jerusalem, and therefor it is very different from todays "governing body". So here is a copy of the material:

  BUT WHAT DOES THE BIBLE REALLY TEACH REGARDING THE AUTHORITY OF THE GOVERNING BODY OVER THE MEMBERSHIP?Although the Watchtower Society adheres to a rigid system of dependence upon its Governing Body, the actual Bible accounts are certainly more relaxed in their view of the Biblical "Governing Body" system:
  
  1. Phillip was dispatched directly by Jehovah's Angel and the Holy Spirit, not through the Governing Body's instructions (Acts 8: 26-40).
  
  2. Peter was directly taught by the Holy Spirit outside of the Governing Body's instruction (Acts 10:9-28).
  
  3. Peter wrote two letters of doctrinal teaching to several congregations without the Governing Body's oversight (Books of 1 and 2 Peter)
  
  4. Barnabas was selected as an evangelizer through the Holy Spirit, not through the Governing Body's direction (Acts 13:2).
  
  5. Paul and Barnabas themselves ordained men in some of the congregations without the direction of the Governing Body (Acts 14: 23)
  
  6. Paul wrote several letters of doctrinal teaching to other congregations without the Governing Body's oversight (Books of Romans -Philemon)
  
  7. Paul was spoken to directly from the Lord Himself -- not through the Governing Body (Acts 18:9).
  
  8. Paul recommended a female minister without the Governing Body's direction (Romans 16:1)
  
  9. Paul also taught things that weren't specifically decreed from the Governing Body (1 Corinthians 7:12, 1 Timothy 2:12).
  
  10. Paul decided the rules on disfellowshipping / resinstatement, not the Governing Body (1 Corinthians 5:1-5 and 2 Corinthians 2:5-11).
  
  First of all, please note that none of the above listed people were a part of a "Governing Body" stationed in Jerusalem as evidenced by the fact that they continued to travel from region to region to share the Good News of Christ (whereas the Watchtower's Governing Body remains stationary in its worldwide Headquarters located in Brooklyn NY, much like the Biblical "Governing Body" remained stationed in Jerusalem ).
  
  Second, as shown by the above list of ten examples, if you search carefully through the Bible you will see that God's direction through a governing body was actually the exception, not the norm.
  
  Therefore, the Governing Body's claim to spiritual authority is flawed, weak, and is unfairly usurping Christ's position in the Christian congregation.

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  Needed Organizational Changes for WT

  by Kosonen in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am concerned about the spiritual welfare of the jehovah's witnesses.

  surely we all have noticed an unhealthy development in their leaders attitude, the "governing body".

  they have more and more begun to emphasize their importance and their power, in the literature and talks and thereby drawing unnecessary much attention to themselves.

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  I am concerned about the spiritual welfare of the Jehovah's witnesses. Surely we all have noticed an unhealthy development in their leaders attitude, the "Governing Body". They have more and more begun to emphasize their importance and their power, in the literature and talks and thereby drawing unnecessary much attention to themselves. It is displeasing our Heavenly Father Jehovah God and the real Head of the congregations Jesus Christ our Lord. This reminds me of Moses and Aaron, who forgot to sanctify Jehovah God while giving miraculously water to the people.

  In the latest study edition of the Watchtower magazine they mention governing body many times and use capital letters G and B when they write governing body. But when they use the expression "faithful and discreet slave" they don't use capital letters. So this really reveals what they consider themselves to be. It is not good. Apostle Peter wrote: "Shepherd the flock of God in YOUR care (...)neither as lording it over those who are God’s inheritance".

  I don't think the impressing expression "Governing Body" is at all appropriate. In fact it goes against the humble spirit Jesus taught to express. Jesus clearly condemned the use of impressive titles. And he expressively gave following instructions: But YOU, do not YOU be called Rabbi, for one is YOUR teacher, whereas all YOU are brothers. Moreover, do not call anyone YOUR father on earth, for one is YOUR Father, the heavenly One. Neither be called ‘leaders,’ for YOUR Leader is one, the Christ. But the greatest one among YOU must be YOUR minister. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

  The leaders of WT-society use excessive power over the flock and think it will ensure the salvation of the flock. But this method won't work. Because this will result in the same as with other churches. For example Catholic popes have used excessive power to protect the flock from bad influence and they mistakenly believe that in this way the flock will gain salvation. But we well know that this attitude of the clergy has worked against the true knowledge of the Bible.

  But why has such churches been allowed to exist? Well if you see to the results, you see that where christendom's churches have been, there the WT-organization has been able to gain many members. But where Muslims or Hindus are, there people are much lesser receptive toward anything of the Bible truth. So in that way these churches have been indispensable for the success of the Watchtower-society. So in a lack of better alternatives, Jesus as the head of Christians has allowed it to be as it has been. The same applies to the Watchtower-society. Thanks to them a part of the mankind have drawn closer to Jehovah God. But now is the time to make changes concerning organizational arrangements of the congregations of God. Otherwise this will hinder further development of the spiritual growth.

  How WT-society manages within God's household is not exactly according to the pattern from the first century. They should reread the letters from those who took the lead in the first century, the apostles and elders. They say that the spiritual direction came from a governing body in Jerusalem in the first century. But nowhere is there explicitely any mention of a governing body in the Greek scriptures. But instead what you find is that apostles and some older men wrote letters to congregations by own initiative from different places where they happened to be. And the apostles and other older men where free to visit congregations by own initiative.

  But of course this freedom was misused by many brothers who later rebelled against the "teaching of Christ", just as apostle John wrote: "Everyone that pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God".

  Have you ever thought what were the reasons why congregations in the first century where granted with more freedom than what WT-society grants to "its" congregations even though it lead to real apostasy in the first century in many places?

  But the invented organizational policies of the WT-society can not be better than the arrangements in the first century established by Jesus and brought further by the apostles.

  They should understand that it is of poor value when, branch overseers, district overseers, circuit overseers and local elders submit to the leaders of the WT-society, primarily out of fear of being otherwise punished by the organization. They even put the words in their mouths which they are allowed to say. So if you would ask them what they really think, I do not believe they will tell you the truth, because they have become "yes men". Is it what the WT-leaders want it to be? Their members cheat their leaders, by not revealing what they really think, and their leaders deceive themselves by believing that the elders and the flock are in full accord. But it is just a game of surviving in the organization. It is just the same as in any dictatorial administration. The dictators falsely believe they are loved by the people. And suddenly there occurs a revolution, and the dictator is disillusioned, because he could not read the real sentiments of the people.

  There are several scriptures expressing the freedom which existed among the congregations in the beginning. For example: 2Cor3:17; 1Pet2:16;Gal 5:1:

  Now Jehovah is the Spirit; and where the spirit of Jehovah is, there is freedom. Be as free people, and yet holding YOUR freedom, not as a blind for badness, but as slaves of God. For such freedom Christ set us free. Therefore stand fast, and do not let yourselves be confined again in a yoke of slavery.

  So they should return to the pattern set by the apostles and by Jesus Christ about allowing more freedom and own initiative to Shepard in the congregations. Remember this episode in the Bible: John said to him: “Teacher, we saw a certain man expelling demons by the use of your name and we tried to prevent him, because he was not accompanying us.” But Jesus said: “Do not try to prevent him, for there is no one that will do a powerful work on the basis of my name that will quickly be able to revile me; for he that is not against us is for us. For whoever gives YOU a cup of water to drink on the ground that YOU belong to Christ, I truly tell YOU, he will by no means lose his reward. But whoever stumbles one of these little ones that believe, it would be finer for him if a millstone such as is turned by an ass were put around his neck and he were actually pitched into the sea. Mark 9:38-42

  So John while still immature and still learning, thought it would be right to suppress this certain man. But instead Jesus kindly corrected him and warns what it would have resulted to him if he, John had went and stumbled this man who believed in Jesus, but was not accompanying them. So they should take this lesson to their heart!

  Because of this freedom there were problems in the first century congregations, but notice Paul’s attitude toward it, he says: For there must also be sects among YOU, that the persons approved may also become manifest among YOU.(1Cor11:19) Jesus also said: "Of course, the stumbling blocks must of necessity come, but woe to the man through whom the stumbling block comes!". And Peter wrote: However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among YOU.

  So why did Jesus say that the stumbling block must of necessity come? What gain is there from it? In the words of Deuteronomy (13:1-3) we can get the answer: “In case a prophet or a dreamer of a dream arises in your midst and does give you a sign or a portent, 2 and the sign or the portent does come true of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us walk after other gods, whom you have not known, and let us serve them,’ 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or to the dreamer of that dream, because Jehovah YOUR God is testing YOU to know whether YOU are loving Jehovah YOUR God with all YOUR heart and all YOUR soul.

  So, Jehovah God wants to see if we really love him, therefor there should be more freedom. Now when they force the members of the congregations to obey them, because nobody wants to lose all their friends through disfellowshipping. That's why many fear to study or read the Bible and draw own conclusions, because they could understand things "wrong", and become labeled as apostates. So the main concern for them is to avoid disfellowshipment. So where is the exclusive devotion for Jehovah God?

  But if they dropped off their control grip of the congregations, then the true face of the congregations would become manifest. Who really are exclusively devoted to Jehovah God and who are not. This could mean that a big part of the congregations would become very corrupted, but in the same time the test of faith would refine others.

  So, they should allow brothers to teach what ever they believe is true in the local congregations. The Watchtower-society's part should be just to visit them or write them letters or offer them their spiritual food by their publications, to give them guidance. And they should declare, that if local elders can find scriptural basis for different explanations of biblical subjects, they are free to believe in the way they find it right. Surely this would motivate different brothers to do more diligent research of the scriptures, and sadly some would misuse this freedom. But anyway the truth would become brighter, according to the angel's word in Daniel 12:9,10: “Go, Daniel, because the words are made secret and sealed up until the time of [the] end. 10 Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will certainly act wickedly, and no wicked ones at all will understand; but the ones having insight will understand.

  So, such changes would result in spiritual gains and losses. Some congregations would gain spiritually, while others would become more corrupted. Moses was faced with a similar situation, but he was not ready to accept Jehovah God's offer. Once after the 10 spies came with a bad report and the people lost its faith, Jehovah offered Moses: Let me strike them with pestilence and drive them away, and let me make you a nation greater and mightier than they are.”(Numbers 14:12) But Moses could not take that offer, so Jehovah decided that all that people (with some exceptions) would instead have to die slowly during their 40 years in the desert.

  I have written a letter with a similar content today and I am planing to send it to the brothers taking the lead among the Jehovah's witnesses.

  I hope you enjoyed it, and if possible do as me, send them letters and require for better procedures within the Jehovah's witnesses congregations. It is worthwhile, because many of us have there many friends and relatives. And many of their fundamental teachings are closer to the truth than in other churches.

  Jan Kosonen
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  Harold Camping's Kingdom Hall

  by moshe in

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  the jw/wt doctrinal failures/coverups are already being compared to harold camping's failed endtimes predictions!

  any news stories that have a camping-jw-wt tie up please post here!

  please try and cut/paste the link and the story, so that in a year or two when the links go dead, we will still have the article for our archives.

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  Thanks too for the article! I appreciated especially that you use the right definition for today's many churches, wich is a condition of apostacy.

  I do not understand Babylon the Great to define all false religions. But christian churches since the second, even partially from the first centry have apostacied. It's about apostacy and not Babylon the Great. The mystery of Babylon the Great seems to me be the freemasons. And the main country of freemasons might be USA, with about 5 million freemasons.
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  Gems from the August 15, 2011 WT

  by Ultimate Reality in

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  pdfs can be obtained at jw.org.... spiritual gem #1. perhaps witnesses should apply the standard the wt recommends for gathering information on the internet to wt publications; from page 4:.

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  Could following scriptures have the answer to why some persons with mental health problems anyway claim to be anointed?

  14 At seeing this Jesus was indignant and said to them: “Let the young children come to me; do not try to stop them, for the kingdom of God belongs to suchlike ones. 15 Truly I say to YOU , Whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a young child will by no means enter into it.”-Mark 10:14:15

  27 but God chose the foolish things of the world, that he might put the wise men to shame; and God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put the strong things to shame; 28 and God chose the ignoble things of the world and the things looked down upon, the things that are not, that he might bring to nothing the things that are, 29 in order that no flesh might boast in the sight of God.-1Cor 1:27-29
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  My letter to GB

  by Kosonen in

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  2. beliefs

  hi, i want to share with all searchers of truth my letter to gb which i sent them in march this year.

  sadly i did not get any reply from them, in contrary they are condemning more stronger than ever those who have different explainations to bible-prophecies, as is evident from latest july study edition.. hello brothers in the governing body,.

  i have recently heard interesting news on alex jones news chanel on internet.

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  Hi, I want to share with all searchers of truth my letter to GB which I sent them in March this year. Sadly I did not get any reply from them, in contrary they are condemning more stronger than ever those who have different explainations to bible-prophecies, as is evident from latest July study edition.

  Hello Brothers in the governing body,

  I have recently heard interesting news on Alex Jones news chanel on internet. There I got information about that the "globalists" are going to sink down America, so that America will not be a superpower for a while. Instead they will rise up China as a superpower. They will give China some little time to be that, but then the "globalists" will again rise up America to be a superpower.

  Infact if you think about the developments in the recent past years, it is easy to see that the globalists, have been pursuing this. That is why they have moved a lot of American and European works to China. And that has resulted in big economic problems for the western world. And those globalists have prevented through goverment to drill oil in huge scales in America. They have kept in secret that USA has worlds biggest oilreserves. Instead they have forced America to buy oil from abroad to high prices from global oil-companies. And now they create chaos in the middle-east to drive oilprice even higher, to totaly break down the US. They want that even the US military will suffer from a lack of fuel. The globalists scheem is to make a stop in the oil production in the middle-east. But this will not affect China because they have recently signed deals with Russia about buying all the needed oil from them.

  So why do the globalists want to punish America? And why do they like the Chinees style of rule? The globalist want to finish democracy and to replace that with corporatism. The big corporations, more precisly their owners and owners of big finance want to rule the world. They want to install a global governance where they are the rulers. And they want to rule over the earth like they rule over their corporations. That will mean no democracy and an authoritarian rule. China is already working approximately like that. But America is a problem with human-rights and the constitution. So they have to destroy the American economy so that the american people will give away their rights and the constitution in exchange for living and food.

  Now you have surely thought how Bible prophecy fits in. In Revelation you find this:

  And when they see how the wild beast was, but is not, and yet will be present, those who dwell on the earth will wonder admiringly, (Revelation 17:8)

  So the wild beast would fit the America, wich is soon to disappear as a wild beast, but will be brought back later. And with their unexploited huge oilreserves they will quickly come back when the globalists allow them to make us of them.

  Then Revelation 17:10 also says: And there are seven kings: five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet arrived, but when he does arrive he must remain a short while.

  So could this king that has not arrived be China? And the prophecy about the armies of cavalery of two myriads of myriads, that is an army of 200 000 000. China could set up a such huge army to kill a third of the earth's population.

  And who are the globalists ruling over governments? Is it not said that, Babylon the Great is having a kingdom over the kings of the earth.

  I hope you will study these matters more thoroughly and come with more precise explainations to Bible-prophecies. A good news source is w ww.infowars.com produced by Alex Jones. I can not affirm that I have understood all rigth in the above mentioned but I think it is worthwile to examine the matter.

  Your Brother Jan Kosonen