I've tested the spirit of Reniaa and I don't believe she's the person she claims to be. :0)
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I commented about apostates today at the meeting
by cognac ini couldn't help myself.
it was so obnoxious what the paragraph was saying about apostates.. so i said that having a difference of opinion is not a problem but really as brought out by thessolonians it is when a person raises themselves up above god to have people follow them instead of god that they are considered bad in god's eyes.. i don't even know if it had anything to do with the question, but i just wanted to say that, lol..
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DF or DA what do you think the difference is?
by Rosey ini would like to know from everyone first of all what they think the difference is between a df'd person and a da'd person.. i would also like to know what everyone thinks that jw's think is the difference between a df'd and da'd person.. personally i am df'd.
i was df'd 10 years ago almost and did not argue it at all as i had no desire to continue as a jw anyway.
before being df'd i was always under the impression that if a person da'd themselves it almost always meant they were " apostate" and that there was no way a jw should have any contact with them.
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@ Rosey;
hoboken.....and pp I guess my questions may have been slightly more geared towards you as we know each other and while I was df'd for "fornication"......something I make no apologies for..................and you were df'd and da'd for apostasy.........do you, now that you have left, feel that you are different as an exjw than I am............
I think I understand what you're saying. You were DFd for fornication (a sin, according to the Bible) and I was DAd for apostasy (NB. I still believe in the Bible, God and Jesus, I just don't wish to follow the leadership of the Governing Body).
I think we're both in the same boat. I'm a sinner, you're a sinner. We both voluntarily chose a life course that would lead to our exclusion from the 'club' called the Watch Tower Society.
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New Songbook
by snowbird ini hope this one will be dropped: jehovah our father in heaven; oh, this is a most sacred night; twas nisan 14 when your glory was seen .... i hated that song!.
sylvia.
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Isn't Shulamite Maiden all about the Governing Body?
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I commented about apostates today at the meeting
by cognac ini couldn't help myself.
it was so obnoxious what the paragraph was saying about apostates.. so i said that having a difference of opinion is not a problem but really as brought out by thessolonians it is when a person raises themselves up above god to have people follow them instead of god that they are considered bad in god's eyes.. i don't even know if it had anything to do with the question, but i just wanted to say that, lol..
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If I'm not correct in your eyes show me a scripture which allows us to disobey leaders and create divisions by our actions! I challenge you!
What if someone leaves the leadership of the Governing Body - ie. doesn't remain a JW, thus causing divisions - and quietly gets on with the rest of their life? Why does the Governing Body attribute the class 'apostate' to such a person, with the word having a definition unique to the Watch Tower Society?
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I commented about apostates today at the meeting
by cognac ini couldn't help myself.
it was so obnoxious what the paragraph was saying about apostates.. so i said that having a difference of opinion is not a problem but really as brought out by thessolonians it is when a person raises themselves up above god to have people follow them instead of god that they are considered bad in god's eyes.. i don't even know if it had anything to do with the question, but i just wanted to say that, lol..
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Apostasy according the the WTS definition is rejecting your beliefs, opposing the organisation/Jehovah and rejecting the organisation. Check the Reasoning book.
And guys, please don't let Reniaa hijack this thread.
Well done, congnac.
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Dissension spooking the Watchtower Leadership?
by freddo inapparently the current round of co visits (in the uk) includes (from an outline in the co meeting with elders and possibly also mss) much talk of tightening up the rules on associating with df/da, apostates and that they are to take the lead in clamping down on this.. they also focus on the view that apostates have nothing else to offer jw's.. sounds like anti-wt tactics are having an effect!
but it looks like it's going to get tougher before it gets easier .... anyone else confirm?
my sources are elders/ms's in two seperate nearby congo's..
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Anyone have a good Meeting for Field Service story?
by BonaFide inoh, yes those wonderful meetings for service.
for some reason, they are so long and disorganized and boring.
seems no one wants to get out there in the territory.. i remember in one hall when i was a teenager, a ministerial servant, about 50 years old, would conduct the midweek meeting for service at the kh at 9 am.
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"If you do not think these sites are wrong for you then you have no right to think they are wrong for me. Maybe you guys should get back to the planks in your own eyes?"
Most of us aren't practising, preaching Jehovah's Witnesses. Those of us who are know that the Watch Tower Society's strongly frowns upon the usage of such sites. I think there may be some apostates on this site too. Fraternising with them is grounds for judicial action.
As I am not a practising, preaching Jehovah's Witness there's no plank in my eye by me being here.
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Christians risk rejection and discrimination for their faith in Britain.
by BurnTheShips inthe first poll of britain's churchgoers, carried out for the sunday telegraph, found that thousands of them believe they are being turned down for promotion because of their faith.. one in five said that they had faced opposition at work because of their beliefs.. more than half of them revealed that they had suffered some form of persecution for being a christian.. the findings suggest a growing hostility towards religion in this country, which has been highlighted by a series of clashes between churchgoers and their employers.. and so on.
more at the link.. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/5413311/christians-risk-rejection-and-discrimination-for-their-faith-a-study-claims.html.
silver lining: there are still christians in gb!.
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So, if a Christian talks about their faith at work, that's grounds for discrimination or bullying?
This thread reminds me of one of those talks we'd always get at District Conventions whereby the counsel is always for those who have been maligned within the congregation. You know, "excerise the fruits of the spirit when your fellow brothers treat you like crap" etc. The counsel isn't ever for those doing the maligning.
So, rather than this thread being about those who are discriminating (and yes, I realise the articles says the Christians believe they're being maligned), it's about what the Christians must have done to deserve maligning.
What about the notion that, at times, the UK can have a bullying culture?
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Picture of Jesus in the KH
by startingover ina jw friend told me that a newly remodeled kh in the area has a big picture of jesus with his hand extended in the entrance.
since it's a picture that is from the publications many say it's ok. sounds really out of place to me.
it tells me the jw's are going mainstream..
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When I go into a church with a cross over the altar, incense around it and people are kneeling in front of it and doing signs of cross on their foreheads, wearing them around there necks, touching them when praying, singing praise to the cross I have no doubt it is idolatry but lets try and nit pick here.
Cool, when did you convert to Catholicism?
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So basically we have this tower with notches cut into it and a guy in a digger scales the tower against, I think, the clock.
Cool.