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  Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall

  by Hobo Ken in

  1. jw
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  this is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.

  he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.

  this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.

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  Attending church is dramatic for a Jehovah's Witness.

  And so is no longer attending meetings organised by the Governing Body and sharing in the door-to-door preaching work. Do you do either with any regularity?

  . So I wonder why you implied my choice was cowardly and not the way to "be a man".

  Your choice of interpretation.

  Believing you must show the Witnesses are wrong is not really change, it is just swapping labels.

  Again, how am I doing that?

  If you come to a point where you are happy to let others believe and do what they want that will be a real exit from the Witnesses.

  Well, when you arrive at that point too, where you're happy to let others believe what they wish and do what they want, you'll have successfully exited the Witnesses too.
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  Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall

  by Hobo Ken in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.

  he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.

  this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.

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  Just because that's your choice I don't think you should try to force it on others.

  I'll repeat what I said above, I think you're mixing me up with someone else.
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  Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall

  by Hobo Ken in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.

  he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.

  this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.

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  So you agree with me then that it's pointless trying to get people like Ron Hunter to change their belief

  Not only is it pointless, I wouldn't even try. I think you're mixing me up with someone else.
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  Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall

  by Hobo Ken in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.

  he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.

  this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.

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  I think it comes down to the rather dramatic way you have chosen to exit.

  Sorry, what dramatic way would that be, exactly? My, such sweeping statements. I told my father that we were going to church. My mother urged me to disassociate myself to spare my father the trauma of reporting my 'wrongdoing'. So I did, as did my wife. That was it.

  The reality is, we chose to leave. You chose to stay. We're living with our choice. You're living with yours.
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  Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall

  by Hobo Ken in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.

  he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.

  this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.

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  I was talking about you. The statement was not predicated on my having left.

  Please cite instances of me trying to change the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses.
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  Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall

  by Hobo Ken in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.

  he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.

  this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.

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  A technical distinction of the sort an elder might be proud of. It's 'worth noting' that it means diddly-squat if people arrive at the recordings through the site where people are identified.

  Well, I'm sure you know the name of a decent solicitor who'll be willing to take up the case on your behalf. Keep up the criticisms of Hobo and Iknowall, too. You're doing almost as good a job as the Witnesses of Bishopbriggs Congregation.
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  Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall

  by Hobo Ken in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.

  he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.

  this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.

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  So why copy them?

  So when they haul you in for a judicial meeting or come to 'shepherd' you about your beliefs you've to quietly sit there and not defend yourself? Interesting tactic.

  For some who leave the Witnesses old habits die hard it seems.

  Who are you referring to, exactly? I realise you're still a Jehovah's Witness yourself, so who do you mean?
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  Must see video on Youtube where a JW is clearly defeated on the trinity subject...

  by Tuesday in

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  2. bible

  personally i hate bible ping-pong.

  i don't think it ever gets anywhere, i don't think it solves anything and i don't think the participants ever make any head room.

  however i will say in this case, i have been proven wrong.

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  Because the NIV translators were qualified and weren't retards?
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  Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall

  by Hobo Ken in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.

  he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.

  this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.

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  @ boyzone, well said.

  @ quietlyleaving - the BoE in question with regards to these recordings investigated the issue and decided not to pursue the matter. The publicity which was certainly erupt around any legal action on their part would be the exact opposite of what they'd want to achieve.

  It's worth noting too that nowhere in the recordings are any of the individuals other that Hobo and Iknowall explicitly identified.
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  Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall

  by Hobo Ken in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.

  he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.

  this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.

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  @ slimboyfat "Isn't it a bit cruel to try to rob people like that of their JW beliefs?"

  Isn't it a bit cruel to disfellowship people and have a policy of shunning against such ones just because they don't believe absolutely-to-the-letter the same (fluctuation and changing) doctrines that come from the Governing Body?

  Jehovah's Witnesses are in existence for the sole purpose of (trying) to change other peoples' beliefs.