atheists are, by definition, naturalistic materialists; i.e.
they believe that only the physical universe exists, only the nature exists therefore there is no supernatural and certainly no god.. can you, therefore, be an atheist but believe in logic and maths?
they're also not made of matter.. is it true to say, then, that the atheist worldview is contradictory?
OnTheWayOut, you're admitting that your worldview is contradictory. If that unsettles you, I can understand that. But please, move beyond using loaded questions and informal fallacies.
If you wish to presuppose I beat my wife, and you do so without any evidence, then you're taking a leap of faith. That being said, your argument against what I'm asking is turning into an ad hominem one and as a result is substantially weakened.
atheists are, by definition, naturalistic materialists; i.e.
they believe that only the physical universe exists, only the nature exists therefore there is no supernatural and certainly no god.. can you, therefore, be an atheist but believe in logic and maths?
they're also not made of matter.. is it true to say, then, that the atheist worldview is contradictory?
When was it proven that the choices you made available were the only choices available?
Either that's profoundly clever - so clever, in fact, that I can't understand it - or it just doesn't make sense. Either all that exists is matter (i.e. things that take up space) or not. The law of excluded middle means that you have to picks a side. And yes, those are the only choices available; either the stuff on this planet that we can pick up and measure, move around and break, is all there is. Or it's not.
And if people here are going to argue cogently, it may be worthwhile avoiding informal fallacies like "when did you stop beating your wife". It's a tired, narrow argument that perhaps reflects the mindset of those who use it. And I mean that with love.
atheists are, by definition, naturalistic materialists; i.e.
they believe that only the physical universe exists, only the nature exists therefore there is no supernatural and certainly no god.. can you, therefore, be an atheist but believe in logic and maths?
they're also not made of matter.. is it true to say, then, that the atheist worldview is contradictory?
When I pick up a bible I see letters and number which are codes.
Woah, when did the Bible come into the discussion?
Rational people may be sane. But they can't explain anything....
atheists are, by definition, naturalistic materialists; i.e.
they believe that only the physical universe exists, only the nature exists therefore there is no supernatural and certainly no god.. can you, therefore, be an atheist but believe in logic and maths?
they're also not made of matter.. is it true to say, then, that the atheist worldview is contradictory?
BTW, did you stop being beating your wife yet?
When was it proven that I'd even beaten her? Again with the loaded questions? Seriously, guys, hanging around this forum is making you flaccid and lazy in your arguments.
atheists are, by definition, naturalistic materialists; i.e.
they believe that only the physical universe exists, only the nature exists therefore there is no supernatural and certainly no god.. can you, therefore, be an atheist but believe in logic and maths?
they're also not made of matter.. is it true to say, then, that the atheist worldview is contradictory?
So you're actually saying that the laws of science are made of matter? Or you're suggesting that it's my responsibility to prove that they are? That's bizarre. Good luck with it!
atheists are, by definition, naturalistic materialists; i.e.
they believe that only the physical universe exists, only the nature exists therefore there is no supernatural and certainly no god.. can you, therefore, be an atheist but believe in logic and maths?
they're also not made of matter.. is it true to say, then, that the atheist worldview is contradictory?
A monistic materialist could easily sweep aside your argument by disputing the premise that logic is in itself a thing
I'm not saying logic is a thing. I'm saying it's not a thing. Therefore, how does it fit in with a naturalistic materialist worldview?
atheists are, by definition, naturalistic materialists; i.e.
they believe that only the physical universe exists, only the nature exists therefore there is no supernatural and certainly no god.. can you, therefore, be an atheist but believe in logic and maths?
they're also not made of matter.. is it true to say, then, that the atheist worldview is contradictory?
One guy says something and you jump through hoops and say all atheists beleive something and propose an "or" question based on it.
Either answer the questions or don't, it's up to you. You're jumping through hoops to avoid the issue;
Pick a side.
atheists are, by definition, naturalistic materialists; i.e.
they believe that only the physical universe exists, only the nature exists therefore there is no supernatural and certainly no god.. can you, therefore, be an atheist but believe in logic and maths?
they're also not made of matter.. is it true to say, then, that the atheist worldview is contradictory?
Passwordprotected, did you stop beating your wife. Please restrict your answer to "Yes" or "No" only.
That question presupposes something to have been proven, namely that I beat my wife. Now you're resorting to informal fallacies? How does that strengthen your argument?
atheists are, by definition, naturalistic materialists; i.e.
they believe that only the physical universe exists, only the nature exists therefore there is no supernatural and certainly no god.. can you, therefore, be an atheist but believe in logic and maths?
they're also not made of matter.. is it true to say, then, that the atheist worldview is contradictory?
So, did gravity change? no, but the way we humans understood it did once we had more information to figure it out. Our local measurements and experiments worked fine (and we still use the "old" math for calculations that are purely local in nature since they work).
Next question?
So the laws of science don't change and they're also not made of matter. Yet I'm guessing you believe that all that exists is ever-changing matter (i.e constantly evolving things). Doesn't the fact that the laws of science are immaterial and unchanging contradict your worldview? And doesn't that contradiction (remember the law of the excluded middle) mean your worldview is false?
atheists are, by definition, naturalistic materialists; i.e.
they believe that only the physical universe exists, only the nature exists therefore there is no supernatural and certainly no god.. can you, therefore, be an atheist but believe in logic and maths?
they're also not made of matter.. is it true to say, then, that the atheist worldview is contradictory?
I hope Perry finds his way to this thread and you two can laugh at how closed-minded people who disagree with you guys are.
I just hope that you and Perry agree, otherwise you will have to call each other closed-minded.
Surely you can see that resorting to ad hominem attacks doesn't strengthen what you're saying. I'm open minded enough to consider whether the naturalist materialistic world view has any validity or not.
I recognise that claiming that all that exists are things is a worldview that doesn't have any sustainability to it as logic and reason need to be applied to the evidence to form a conclusion. And logic and reason aren't things.
