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  PDF of Oct 1, 1993 WT. Pg 19

  by lostsheep82 in

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  2. bible

  can anyone please maybe find a scan of this article?

  the first sentence reads:"disfellowshipping can be extremely punitive.".

  it is an article that supposedly reads that the punishment to a df'd person goes so far as to 'include hatred' of such persons-not just their behavior.

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  lostsheep82

  Thanks for all your efforts. I don't need a scanned copy of it, as I can read the article for myself from lesterds post.

  Thank you though, I may need more sometime!
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  PDF of Oct 1, 1993 WT. Pg 19

  by lostsheep82 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  can anyone please maybe find a scan of this article?

  the first sentence reads:"disfellowshipping can be extremely punitive.".

  it is an article that supposedly reads that the punishment to a df'd person goes so far as to 'include hatred' of such persons-not just their behavior.

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  lostsheep82

  LESTERD posted:

  These were not people who had in some way merely offended David personally. They had misrepresented God, taking up his name in a worthless way. (Exodus 20:7) Dishonestly, they professed to serve him, but they were using his name to promote their own schemes. David had no love for those who chose to be God’s adversaries.

  WTF? seriously! isn't that what the witnesses do?
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  PDF of Oct 1, 1993 WT. Pg 19

  by lostsheep82 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  can anyone please maybe find a scan of this article?

  the first sentence reads:"disfellowshipping can be extremely punitive.".

  it is an article that supposedly reads that the punishment to a df'd person goes so far as to 'include hatred' of such persons-not just their behavior.

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  lostsheep82

  Okay, then what is the 'biblical term' of hate?

  Hate is hate to me. Love is love. What bothers me is this statement SHOULD read, that we should hate badness, but not the person. In fact HATE shouldn't even exist in the publications because Jehovah is not a God of hate, but a God of love.

  GRRRRR!!!
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  PDF of Oct 1, 1993 WT. Pg 19

  by lostsheep82 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  can anyone please maybe find a scan of this article?

  the first sentence reads:"disfellowshipping can be extremely punitive.".

  it is an article that supposedly reads that the punishment to a df'd person goes so far as to 'include hatred' of such persons-not just their behavior.

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  lostsheep82

  It was too small, where did you get that from though and maybe I can find it?

  Thank you for your efforts
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  PDF of Oct 1, 1993 WT. Pg 19

  by lostsheep82 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  can anyone please maybe find a scan of this article?

  the first sentence reads:"disfellowshipping can be extremely punitive.".

  it is an article that supposedly reads that the punishment to a df'd person goes so far as to 'include hatred' of such persons-not just their behavior.

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  lostsheep82

  Ahhh thank you, I'm going to try to print this, looks pretty small. lol.

  Hope it works:)
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  Sciptures? Help???

  by lostsheep82 in

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  i know this subject is touchy, and i dont want to stir feathers.....but with my most recent convo with my mom and her "anointed" husband, they dont have as much of a problem with me discrediting the society as i do, as they do with the fact that i'm gay.

  as he puts it....ignore the society and what they teach....go to the bible...so i asked him what about david and jonathans relationship, how can you prove they didnt have a sexual love for eachother and he says...'amanda, do you think they were bum holing eachother?'.

  well when you put it that way i dont know, but that has nothing to do with the fact that most gay relationships have nothing to do with the actual act of sex, they have to do with the love two people share, cause they can't share it with someone else.. his response was simpathetic, and cause of my abusive past, that is what they blame it on........if i wasnt abused i wouldnt be gay.

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  lostsheep82

  Well UP I respect your comments, and somewhat agree with you even though, no, that isn't what any gay person wants to hear. lol.

  Deep deep down, I wonder if I am displeasing God. No, he didn't make women with women, he made man and woman. But he also didn't intend for man to rape, beat, or manipulate woman. He made us with choices. It isn't my choice to feel this way, this is how I've always felt.

  Your illustration was an interesting one and you make a point, however, in this day and age, do you really think God is going to destroy all the gays, and people who don't go to 'church'? That would amount to an aweful lot of people. I use to feel that all who were not JW were going to die at armageddon. To me, and maybe this is a wrong attitude, but if I'm not a JW, I feel I just want to live my life the best I can to try to be honerable to God. But I refuse to live with a man and be in a relationship that makes me feel the way I feel when I am in that relationship. I could almost liken it to you being forced to live with and have relations with another man. That would make you feel dirty, wierd, and very 'not normal'. That is how I feel when I am with a man.

  I agree that it wasn't Gods intent, but I don't think or I should say I'm trying to help make myself beleive that he still loves me. I don't feel I have to have religion as it is man made. At this point, what is real anymore? After finding out the truth about the truth, I almost want to give up on everything, as there are too many false things in this world. I never use to feel this way, but as long as I'm a good person, and try my best, I feel at Armageddon time, God can help me correct my heart, something I cannot do. If he understands, then maybe just like everyone else, us gays will have a chance to feel the way God wants us to. It isn't a behavior for me. It's the only way I can be. It isn't the act of sex that keeps me in this relationship, it is the love two people share.

  I know I may hope to find biblical support, and there isn't any. really. But also, Jesus himself never said anything about homosexuality.

  Love I have which is the greates quality. I hope this in time is good enough....
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  PDF of Oct 1, 1993 WT. Pg 19

  by lostsheep82 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  can anyone please maybe find a scan of this article?

  the first sentence reads:"disfellowshipping can be extremely punitive.".

  it is an article that supposedly reads that the punishment to a df'd person goes so far as to 'include hatred' of such persons-not just their behavior.

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  lostsheep82

  Can anyone please maybe find a scan of this article? The first sentence reads:"Disfellowshipping can be extremely punitive."

  It is an article that supposedly reads that the punishment to a DF'd person goes so far as to 'include hatred' of such persons-not just their behavior.

  I am sick to my stomach reading this as a quote, but need to see for myself an actual page that reads this. Can anyone find and scan one? It's still recent, maybe someone's got those old brown Bound Volumes sitting collecting dust....??

  I just can't beleive the society would publish such harsh words...
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  Sciptures? Help???

  by lostsheep82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know this subject is touchy, and i dont want to stir feathers.....but with my most recent convo with my mom and her "anointed" husband, they dont have as much of a problem with me discrediting the society as i do, as they do with the fact that i'm gay.

  as he puts it....ignore the society and what they teach....go to the bible...so i asked him what about david and jonathans relationship, how can you prove they didnt have a sexual love for eachother and he says...'amanda, do you think they were bum holing eachother?'.

  well when you put it that way i dont know, but that has nothing to do with the fact that most gay relationships have nothing to do with the actual act of sex, they have to do with the love two people share, cause they can't share it with someone else.. his response was simpathetic, and cause of my abusive past, that is what they blame it on........if i wasnt abused i wouldnt be gay.

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  lostsheep82

  I like that song its catchy..lol

  You know, I dont think the God intended on people being gay, but he also didnt intend for EVERYTHING that happens now to happen. I dont feel wrong about the love I share with a woman because it is a love that everyone needs, and for me i can only get it from a woman.

  i'm not a bad person i've got the kindest heart and there is nothing wrong with me. If I die at armageddon, then at least i found what TRUE unconditional love is.....

  thank you all for your comments. This is such a struggle.
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  Sciptures? Help???

  by lostsheep82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know this subject is touchy, and i dont want to stir feathers.....but with my most recent convo with my mom and her "anointed" husband, they dont have as much of a problem with me discrediting the society as i do, as they do with the fact that i'm gay.

  as he puts it....ignore the society and what they teach....go to the bible...so i asked him what about david and jonathans relationship, how can you prove they didnt have a sexual love for eachother and he says...'amanda, do you think they were bum holing eachother?'.

  well when you put it that way i dont know, but that has nothing to do with the fact that most gay relationships have nothing to do with the actual act of sex, they have to do with the love two people share, cause they can't share it with someone else.. his response was simpathetic, and cause of my abusive past, that is what they blame it on........if i wasnt abused i wouldnt be gay.

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  lostsheep82

  I did actually say that my conscience would bother me going door to door, NOT becuause that's what Jesus did(or did he?), but because I wouldn't be preaching the words fo Christ, i'd be preaching the words of Jehovah's Witnessed. Their answer to EVERTHING is tat when they were praying and unsure of everything, JW's ALWAYS came to their door. That MUST be God's direction!!!
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  Sciptures? Help???

  by lostsheep82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know this subject is touchy, and i dont want to stir feathers.....but with my most recent convo with my mom and her "anointed" husband, they dont have as much of a problem with me discrediting the society as i do, as they do with the fact that i'm gay.

  as he puts it....ignore the society and what they teach....go to the bible...so i asked him what about david and jonathans relationship, how can you prove they didnt have a sexual love for eachother and he says...'amanda, do you think they were bum holing eachother?'.

  well when you put it that way i dont know, but that has nothing to do with the fact that most gay relationships have nothing to do with the actual act of sex, they have to do with the love two people share, cause they can't share it with someone else.. his response was simpathetic, and cause of my abusive past, that is what they blame it on........if i wasnt abused i wouldnt be gay.

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  lostsheep82

  Please no one think i'm in support of what happened at 9-11. i was simply trying to make a point.

  if JW's think they are right, and those flying the plane were willin to lose their lives......the same as JWs who lose thier lives cause of blood transfusions.........who are we as lowly humans to judge.

  I truly have the worst opinions of those who flew those dam effin planes. but it isnt up to ME to judge. Only God and Jesus.

  Pleas no on take what i said out of turn. it breaks my heart of the tradegy of what happend and i only wanted to make a point.

  thank you,