What Was Lousy About Being A JW For You?
The fact that Richard Clayderman and Kenny G were mentioned outside of comedy.
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What Was Lousy About Being A JW For You?
by minimus inwas it that you never got holiday candy until the day after?.
that you couldn't be a "normal" kid?.
that you always were feeling restricted, depressed and angry???.
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me and Bobby Kennedy
by Gregor inon tuesday may 28, 1968 i was working at my desk in santa barbara, california.
the office was less than two blocks from the santa barbara courthouse and we were aware that rfk was arriving there for a big campaign rally that afternoon.
as a jw i wasn't politically invested in the event but i liked rfk and so i walked out the back door and across the parking lot to anacapa st. so i could look the block and a half down the street towards the courthouse and see the big crowds gathered there.
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I remember this event well, though I was in the UK and just sixteen. These were exciting times the like of which I have not seen repeated.
The Kennedy's wove a strange web and the aura of hope that surrounded them was in retrospect completely out of synchronization with the reality. As politicians, they were rather on the incompetent side, even giving people like Jimmy Hoffa the ability to grip them by the short and curlies due to their moral indiscretions. It is impossible to think of one Kennedy without the other as they were almost symbiotic, as can be assessed by RK's political confusion for many months after JK's assassination.
In the UK he was admired more for taking on Lyndon Johnson than for anything else, though Europe too fell under the 'Camelot" spell. Johnson was probably close to being as disliked in Europe as is Bush today, for the ease with which he ignored the will of the people and threw blood around in gallons in Vietnam without feeling. It is ironic that Johnson's political death was ensured by a flawed policy in Vietnam enacted by John Kennedy rather than political opposition from RKJ.
However, they cannot be seperated from the time and it was a time of unleashed creativity, hope and of a hunger for an exciting future, and they represented this well. They like the rest of us were learning about life as they ran along, which was quite unique compared to the 'statesman' politcians in their past. Hoffa once described RK as a spoiled brat, which he was, until he deemed fit to see poverty first hand. He was astonished to find the starving, uneducated and backward in his own country. What he saw gave him a voice and a little credibility politically and the media, as ever, made up for the rest by chopping up reality into tiny pieces fit for a largely dumb electorate.
The US still has its starving, uneducated and backward, but does not seem to have a credible voice for these people these days, despite the fact that Europeans refer to Obama as the 'Black Kennedy'. Times and expectations have change.
We live in perilous, glorious times, perhaps due to the rapidity in social and technological change that is taking place as we speak. I am however, pleased to have seen the world in black and white rather than computer enhanced. The comparisons are inspiring.
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(How) Does Truth Set Free?
by Narkissos in"the truth shall set you free" (cf.
john 8:32) is the kind of sentence that potentially transcends any contextual setting.
as we know only too well, it has been used over and over again in religious propaganda and is very easy to return against it (i.e.
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The truth sets one free from falsehood, and in this sense brings a sense freedom.
Whether it is always an advantage to know the truth is another argument altogether. I tend to prefer knowing the bitter truth than the sweet fantasy, though this is not always easy to bear.
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What To Think Of Mr. Scott McClellan?
by Rapunzel inmcclellan has recently published a book that is highly critical of bush and his administration.
mcclellan's book has understandably created a furor within the current presidential administration, an administration that has valued loyalty above all else.. mcclellan was a long-time bush loyalist, he started working for bush when bush was still govenor of texas.
mcclellan helped bush to enter the white house, and then followed bush to washington mcclellan became a spokesman for bush, defending the president on such issues as the war in iraq.
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hillary_step
VM,
The White House staff knew that President Bush wanted a reason to invade Iraq, and so they gave him what he wanted.They advanced their careers, but at the expense of their integrity.
There may have been an element of this in the scenario, there always is.
The fact however is that the CIA at that time were asked to report daily to Mr Dick Cheney with the 'evidence' that they uncovered regarding WMD. Each morning they were unable to report any such findings to Mr Cheney who would send them back repeatedly with instructions to 'look again'. Eventually they caved in and presented the slimmest evidence that they could concoct to please the bullying Mr. Cheney in his quest to find a reason to invade Iraq.
Lack of integrity, of course. All the players in the CIA admit to this now, but what is certain is that Mr. Cheney, who has been cunning enough to drive from the passenger seat, deliberately manipulated the Government offices to do his will. He is an evil and dangerous man, but will emerge from all this relatively unscathed, while his wee Bush puppet will take the flack from history.
This information was not garnered from the book written by McClellan, which probably holds little new information, but from research freely available from the people involved.
As for McClellan, he admits to having once been a believer, but has left the Church Of The Latter Day Bush, which is his perogative. It is just a matter of weeks before the Internet is full of ex-Bush discussion boards.
As an aside, a few years ago this Board was alive with pro-Bush supporters vigorously defending their leader with nationalistic pride. Some of these people have even posted to this thread. What is singularly missing in their posts these days is any defence whatsover of the President, his policies and his regime. After WWII the joke among the allies was that every German soldier they caught, wherever he captured, fought on the Russian Front and not the Western Front. It was impossible to find a soldier who fought anybody but the Communists. It seems just as hard to find anybody who voted for Bush these days.
What's up, Bush supporters? Cat got your tongue?
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What To Think Of Mr. Scott McClellan?
by Rapunzel inmcclellan has recently published a book that is highly critical of bush and his administration.
mcclellan's book has understandably created a furor within the current presidential administration, an administration that has valued loyalty above all else.. mcclellan was a long-time bush loyalist, he started working for bush when bush was still govenor of texas.
mcclellan helped bush to enter the white house, and then followed bush to washington mcclellan became a spokesman for bush, defending the president on such issues as the war in iraq.
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Six,
What specifically in this book do you think is a lie, Gregor?
The bit where he said that Gregor knew what he was talking about before posting his thoughts. ;) HS
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Mr. Flipper & Son Hear, See, and Get Footprints of Bigfoot on Pack Trip
by flipper inso, the long awaited trip began for my son and i to return to the same place he heard a bigfoot a year ago in the forests of northern california.
the trip started out unfortunately for us to be a 7 mile hike instead of a 2 to 3 mile hike in to our base camp , as huge snow drifts covered the road , making it even inaccessible for 4 wheel drive, so , with packs on backs we hiked over 50 ft long snow drifts on places on the trail.
even snow was covering one creek near the lake we were destined for .
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Flipper,
This is the issue
But from 1993 till 2008, in the last 15 years much DNA evidence has been discovered proving the existence of this animal.
You state that the existence of this animal 'has been proved'. All we are asking for is that you define this proof. What is contained in the book you noted that provides DEFINITIVE proof of the animals existence. What do the DNA samples prove? It should not be difficult to precis this evidence for us all to read.
The burden of proof is on YOU to provide this information, as YOU have made the statement that DNA evidence proves the existence of this animal.
The reason that I mention the Patterson film is that this film is universally acknowledged to be the best of a patchy collection of films shot of this 'animal', and while some experts say the film has not been tampered with, most scientists have suggested, to this day, that the film was a hoax. Nothing in film since the 70's has approached the quality of this film and has resulted in more speculation than this film.
I am not suggesting that such an animal may exist, though I have my doubts. What I am suggesting is that there is NO definitive evidence that can yet be provided to back up your statement.
For those interested in reading the science behind the DNA 'discoveries', this is a good starting point: http://www.livescience.com/technology/050728_bigfoot.html though it may not be good news for believers.
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Mr. Flipper & Son Hear, See, and Get Footprints of Bigfoot on Pack Trip
by flipper inso, the long awaited trip began for my son and i to return to the same place he heard a bigfoot a year ago in the forests of northern california.
the trip started out unfortunately for us to be a 7 mile hike instead of a 2 to 3 mile hike in to our base camp , as huge snow drifts covered the road , making it even inaccessible for 4 wheel drive, so , with packs on backs we hiked over 50 ft long snow drifts on places on the trail.
even snow was covering one creek near the lake we were destined for .
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Mr Flipper,
To bury one's head in the sand , is like Jehovah's Witnesses refusing to see that they don't have other options.
You must admit that there is a sweet irony in a person believing in the extraordinary with a thimble full of evidence and a rack of wishful thinking and then accusing a person who demands more evidence of being 'like Jehovah's Witnesses'.
As you may know, the modern spate of Loch Ness sightings occured after a man took a photograph of what appeared to be a creature of unknown origin. Before he died, in more recent times, he admitted the photograph was a fake. This despite expert opinion that the picture was genuine and not a fake. The photograph inspired hundreds of sightings, photographs, videos etc of creatures in the Loch, despite scientists pointing out that the Loch is inert chemically and holds no food for a large creature.
Remember that the film taken by Patterson, arguably the most evidential of the films, was taken by two men who had specifically gone on a 'Bigfoot' hunting expedition and who later argued with his partner over the royalties made on the movie. I have never been convinced by the film, but accept that, as with the Loch Ness situation, some experts have pronounced it as being the real thing.
What is clear is that as with UFO's, and remember that many argue that Bigfoot is often seen around the area of UFO sightings, there is a desire with the layman, and even some scientists, to believe in something that elevates us beyond the day to day misery of mortage and hissing lawns. This is a dangerous mix of motives and one guaranteed to, as with your own 'evidence' in this thread, fill in scientific blanks with wishful thinking and spritited excitement.
Does an unknown species of animal exist around the world that fits the description of Bigfoot? I doubt it for good reason, the main one being lack of quantifiable evidence, and yes, I have read most of the research at least until the early 90's. What would help is if you began threads with a more reasoned title such as "Mr. Flipper & Son May Have Heard, Seen, and Got Footprints of Bigfoot on Pack Trip'.
When one utters definitive statements as you do in your thread title and then produce the thinnest of evidence to back it up, then perhaps it does a disservice to your own cause.
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Taking my life back
by Junction-Guy ini have come to the crossroads where something has to give.
i no longer enjoy visiting any xjw forum.
i have to pull myself away from the negativity or else i will implode from within.
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Junction,
It seems from your comments above that 'negativity' directed towards yourself on this Board is the primary reason for your leaving.
From what I have read of your posts you interpret 'negativity' as being disagreed with, and positivity as being agreed with. I would suggest that the emotional issues that you struggle with are not going to be dealt with until this aspect of your life is attended to and you look at life from a more reasoned dimension.
Criticism can be the most rewarding feature of our lives if it helps us to grow. Viewing it as a 'negativity' that must be escaped from is treading emotional water.
Good luck though, and I hope all turns out well for you.
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Why Are Barb Anderson's Comments Missing from Silentlamb's NBC Transcript?
by Seeker4 ina few weeks ago i was checking out a few details on line about the nov. 12, 2007 nbc broadcast concerning the wts settlement on the west coast pedophile cases, and the release of the court documents on cd by barbara anderson.
i think it was lisa meyers who interviewed barbara, and brian williams was hosting.
well, i figured silentlambs had a transcript of the show, and i went there, only to find that they indeed had the transcript, but all of barbara's portion of the interview was oddly missing, and there was no link to the video.
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Just remember, Seeker, "Silentlambs" is Bill's website and he has the freedom to post, or not to post, anything that he wants. Whether that affects his credibility with people like you, well, that's another issue. That's one of the drawbacks/advantages of the internet--depending on your point of view. If Barb Anderson had a website, I would defend her right on the same thing as well. In fact, maybe that's the solution to this--Maybe she should establish one(assuming she doesn't have one already) and she can then have her own unfiltered conduit for releasing information involving her crusade against pedophilia.
Well, perhaps Barbara Anderson has actually in many ways given 'Silentlambs' a credibility that it may not have gained without her input. Perhaps Barb should take a leaf out of Mr Bowens book and blow her own trumpet. Barbara Anderson was fighting this particular corner when Elder Bowen was still disfellowshipping 'fornicators', a fact that is often forgotten.
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Why Are Barb Anderson's Comments Missing from Silentlamb's NBC Transcript?
by Seeker4 ina few weeks ago i was checking out a few details on line about the nov. 12, 2007 nbc broadcast concerning the wts settlement on the west coast pedophile cases, and the release of the court documents on cd by barbara anderson.
i think it was lisa meyers who interviewed barbara, and brian williams was hosting.
well, i figured silentlambs had a transcript of the show, and i went there, only to find that they indeed had the transcript, but all of barbara's portion of the interview was oddly missing, and there was no link to the video.
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Seeker4,
Given the propensity of Bill Bowen to act like the people that he condemns, what is most surprising is that you are surprised!
If any lurker needs to be assured, Barbara Anderson is one of the most honest, hardworking, intelligent and kind people that I know. She is also a confident and self assured women, which might answer the question that you pose in your thread. ;)
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