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  Food at Proper Time:Insider's Insight from Barbara

  by Maximus in

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  barbara anderson's attention was called to the thread about the differences in policy of great britain and the us regarding child abuse; as you know she has championed a change in that policy.

  another post caught her eye, and she expressed the desire to share some thoughts with you.

  i'm delighted to share her first post, which i know you will find riveting.

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  hillary_step

  Proplog2,

  You note:
  

  I'm not going to defend a hate note written by "who"?

  You then interestingly, go on to do just that!

  HS
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  Food at Proper Time:Insider's Insight from Barbara

  by Maximus in

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  barbara anderson's attention was called to the thread about the differences in policy of great britain and the us regarding child abuse; as you know she has championed a change in that policy.

  another post caught her eye, and she expressed the desire to share some thoughts with you.

  i'm delighted to share her first post, which i know you will find riveting.

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  hillary_step

  Proplog2,

  While I understand the premise of your mail and do agree that information needs to be triple checked before it reaches this forum, I am astonished at this comment that you make :
  

  Does saying that you are going to pray that a person dies in an airplane accident or fire mean that they are going to sabbotage some flight Maximus takes in the future or perhaps committ arson on his home?

  
  It might not, but then again it might! That is why there are laws against uttering or implying such threats. The desire expressed in the mail to Maximus, regardless of who may have written it, is threatening in its implication and as such to be repudiated.

  The point that many members of this Board are trying to make is that it is not beyond the realms of imagination that a JW could have written this note, and it is not not beyond the realm of possibility that given the opportunity to harm Maximus physically, this same person may in a religious fervor, do exactly that.

  HS
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  The Sumerian / Danubian / Chinese / Connection

  by hillary_step in

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  hello,.

  i am presently trying to bring new life to research i undertook in the late 70's regarding the origins, language and art of the sumerian peoples.

  i wondered if between then and now anybody reading this board has more up-to-date research that they can share with me.. please mail me if you think you might be able to help.. thank you -- hs

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  hillary_step

  Hello,

  I am presently trying to bring new life to research I undertook in the late 70's regarding the origins, language and art of the Sumerian peoples. I wondered if between then and now anybody reading this Board has more up-to-date research that they can share with me.

  Please mail me if you think you might be able to help.

  Thank you -- HS
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  W43 WT article "Righteous Requirements"

  by AlanF in

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  for those who want to see the original july 1, 1943 watchtower article "righteous requirements" on which i based a parody a few days ago, check out these pages:.

  the article preceding this one, "supreme court interprets" is extremely instructive about the loonieness of the society's leaders, and shows how they make almost direct claims of inspiration.

  if there's enough interest, i'll put up the nine jpg's of that one, too.. alanf

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  hillary_step

  Alan,

  Thank you for your post.

  ‘Stupefied’, what an excellent word to describe the mental state that the WTS expects from its servants. The ability to contradict themselves even within one statement without most people even noticing is evidence of an almost complete success with this.

  The idea for example, that the WTS has speculated on end times, directly contradicting Christs own commands in Acts 1:6,7 is clearly contained in the following paragraphs, but they then go on to confound their own point by continuing the speculation, take a look :

  w98 9/15 10.. WHAT could be more natural…………..than to wonder when this wicked system will end and be replaced by God’s righteous new world? (Ezekiel 9:4; 2 Peter 3:13) Jesus’ apostles asked him time-oriented questions just before his death and after his resurrection. (Matthew 24:3; Acts 1:6) In reply, however, Jesus did not give them a means of calculating dates. In one case he gave them a composite sign, and in the other he said that ‘it did not belong to them to get knowledge of the times or seasons which the Father had placed in his own jurisdiction

  On inquiring as to the ‘end of the system’ Jesus instructed his disciples very clearly to avoid that territory, but look here :

  w97 8/15 12-13 It is not wrong to be interested in the coming end of the present wicked system. Recall the interest that Jesus’ own apostles showed: "Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?" Jesus replied: "It does not belong to you to get knowledge of the times or seasons which the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction."

  According to Jesus it is wrong to inquire about these matters, according to the WTS it is not wrong.

  w95 10/1 27-8 Guard Your Sense of Urgency Another reason for urgency is our inability to pinpoint the exact day and hour for the sudden outbreak of the great tribulation. Christ Jesus was definite that nobody on earth knows the predetermined day and hour of the start of that crucial event. (Matthew 24:36) On another occasion he told his eager apostles: "It does not belong to you to get knowledge of the times or seasons which the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction."

  A state of ‘urgency’ would by implication reflect an attitude of expectancy, but here the WTS manipulate Jesus statement to mean the actual ‘day and hour’, when it is quite clear that he was condemning the attitude of ‘expectancy’ in Acts1:6,7.

  How do they get away with it? Well, the average JW does not even read the magazines. According to the WTS own survey only 30% of JW’s read the WT magazine. If this is true for the JW’s, then by implication most the of people who receive this magazine in the door to door work do not read them at all. Given this scenario, it is not a difficult for them to make the most foolish statements and not have loaded mail bags pouring into Service. They rely on this MO to survive.

  Best to you - HS
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  The Real origin of the 1914 Doctrine

  by barry in

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  i am a baptised seventh day adventist and ive had studies for about 6mths with a very nice jw lady.

  ive learnt about the wt teachings and attended the kh and the memorial.

  n there are some similarities with the adventist and jw teachings such as baptism by imersion, the state of the dead,some adventists dont vote and some adventists beleive with the wt society in the arian doctrine that jesus is a created being and the holy spirit is a force but the vast majority beleive the trinity doctrine.

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  hillary_step

  Barry,

  Thank you for your post, most informative and much appreciated.

  Back in the late 80’s I read the book issued by the Adventists entitled, ‘Seventh-Day Adventists Believe….A Biblical Exposition Of 27 Fundamental Doctrines’.

  Apart from the many doctrinal similarities between the SDA and the JW’s I was struck buy the allowances granted within the church for individuals who deviate from accepted SDA teachings with no fear of punitive action. I was also struck by the enormous amount of admirable practical work the SDA does for the community.

  I am intrigued to know whether those who differ with some of the fundamental doctrines of the church are treated by their peers. For example can they hold office? Are they viewed as having a spiritual problem? Do people try to influence acceptance of the ‘company line’ by peer pressure.

  The SDA appear to be able to maintain unity within, despite the allowance of divergent views. The WTS is not just hierarchical but tyrannical and obsessed beyond compassion and Christian ethic in their quest to maintain control by punishing any who openly display divergent thinking.

  Thank you again for your informative post, we would love to hear more about the inner life of the average SDA.

  HS
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  an essay for Farkel

  by teejay in

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  last fall, my second year of college english was based on the movies instead of classic literature.

  the textbook dealt with cinematic elements (lighting, sound, camera position, etc) as the tools filmmakers use to tell their story beyond mere dialog.

  the assignments involved watching clips of film, determining what the filmmaker was saying by his use of those elements, then writing full-bodied essays based on our assessments.. one of the film clips we saw was from dead poet's society.

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  hillary_step

  Listen Folks,

  TeeJay said that he was unconcerned about your opinions of his essay. This is probably not true. He posted his essay because he was proud of it and felt it to be worthy. Larc and I have no interest in the movie, so we are not in the position to judge its analytical value, however we both concur that it is clearly written. We can however judge peoples feelings and TeeJay, is probably feeling a little hurt over this one. Farkel, and remember he is the person TeeJay apparently slighted, has been most magnanimous in his treatment of TeeJay over this whole issue.

  TeeJay, try to turn off the ‘issue locator’, we may have different opinions but surely we can all be friends here, let us try to get on and move on.

  HS - Who has seen enough pain to burst a boxers spleen and does not want to see any more.
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  "AHA! AHA! OUR EYE HAS SEEN IT!"

  by You Know in

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  the question has always been, primarily: is jehovah really god?

  secondarily, the question has been: are jehovahs witnesses really jehovahs witnesses?

  or, perhaps worded differently: is the watchtower really the voice of christs appointed faithful and discreet slave of prophecy?

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  Hi YK,

  Thank you for your post and comment, which unfortunately did not attend to the question I asked.

  Would you say that your theological beliefs on the position of the WTS in Gods purpose has changed at all the past 18 months?

  I will not be disturbed if you decide not to answer, but I repeat the question again just in case you missed it.

  Anyway, YK, it is Friday night, shelve the eye patch, put Dylan's 'Infidels'( I am told that you are a fan), on the whirley thing, pour yourself a glass of Chianti, and relax. You can always save the world next week.

  Have a good weekend - HS
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  Food at Proper Time:Insider's Insight from Barbara

  by Maximus in

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  2. friends

  barbara anderson's attention was called to the thread about the differences in policy of great britain and the us regarding child abuse; as you know she has championed a change in that policy.

  another post caught her eye, and she expressed the desire to share some thoughts with you.

  i'm delighted to share her first post, which i know you will find riveting.

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  hillary_step

  Maximus,

  I shall pray for your quick demise in a plane accident or a fire

  Thankfully this picture of Christian values is at least trying to love his enemies - he could quite easily have asked for a slow death.

  Shake the log and look what scuttles out. Getting closer to you TJ?...... Your city is falling.

  HS
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  Food at Proper Time:Insider's Insight from Barbara

  by Maximus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  barbara anderson's attention was called to the thread about the differences in policy of great britain and the us regarding child abuse; as you know she has championed a change in that policy.

  another post caught her eye, and she expressed the desire to share some thoughts with you.

  i'm delighted to share her first post, which i know you will find riveting.

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  hillary_step

  Maximus & Barbara.

  Many thanks for your post. I know that it took great courage for you to do this and the implications that publicising your feelings regarding the WTS's 'soft underbelly' will have on yourself and your family is noted with deep admiration and respect.

  Thank you - HS
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  "AHA! AHA! OUR EYE HAS SEEN IT!"

  by You Know in

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  the question has always been, primarily: is jehovah really god?

  secondarily, the question has been: are jehovahs witnesses really jehovahs witnesses?

  or, perhaps worded differently: is the watchtower really the voice of christs appointed faithful and discreet slave of prophecy?

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  hillary_step

  You Know,

  You note:
  

  In fact, if the apostate knew what I knew they would drool venom over the possibilities.

  The 'possibilities', I presume, to damage the WTS. You are wise to save your energies on this issue as they seem to be doing a fine job of undermining themselves without your obviously substantial insight.

  I do however, seem to be noting a shifting sand policy in your statements YK. Not that I have a problem with this, you of course are entitled to believe whatsoever you see fit, within the Law, but I am curious. Would you say that your theological beliefs on the position of the WTS in Gods purpose has changed at all the past 18 months?

  Best regards -- HS

  - Faster than his tongue did make offence, his eye did heal it up. - - William the Shaky One