Posts by Hmmm

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we were never s'pose to die????

by Julie in

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out of the many things from the bible i wonder about there was one i thought i would share with you all and see if you may have any interesting insights on this issue.. according to the bible man was suppose to live forever, no sickness, easy childbirth for women, just your basic paradise, right?.

so ok, we all know that because that wretched eve screwed it up for all of us and everything we now have suffering and death.. my problem with all of this is this: what if all the people who had ever lived had never died?

how many of us would there be on the planet?

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The Aid book way back when gave numbers on this. I have no idea how accurate they are, but I'll try to summarize: An estimated X billion people have lived in the course of human history. Take the total square acreage of the world, divide by X billion people, and it gives something like half an acre for every man, woman, and child on earth. I believe the estimate even subtracted some land for farming, etc, but allowed for deserts and other inhospitable land to be reclaimed in a Paradise Earth under God's Righteous Kingdom.

If it's true, I'll take my half acre in downtown Manhattan, or maybe downtown Tokyo. It would have to be worth a pretty penny. Then I'd sell it and buy some binoculars and a few hundred acres next to a resurrection nexus (where all those lovely nekkid resurrectees will be coming back).

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Who of you in this forum have been df'ed?

by YoYoMama in

if it is possible can you post why you were disfellowshipped?

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FideiDefensor,

Re: my IRC nick. I can't really be positive, it's been so long, but I think I used a variation of my email address (one I still use, but not the one for this account) so I can't divulge it publically.

Sorry,
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My Disassociation Letter - Should I post it ?

by alliwannadoislive in

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friends,.

i posted a question in november on whether i should da - and i got a surprising level of response - i was also swayed towards not 'playing the wt game'.. however, i feel i want closure.. please see below the letter i have just finished writing - i plan to post it later this week, but would like to know your opinions:.

1) should i send it - yes or no.

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It’s with a heavy heart that I choose to disassociate from people such as yourself XXXX, that I have the greatest of respect for. I do not and never would seek to weaken your faith or to work against you.

Overall, very nice. I'm still vacillating between continuing my fade (it becomes more difficult all the time) and going out in a blaze of glory.

However, if you've decided to get this closure, the only paragraph I'd change would be the one above. You are not choosing to disassociate from people that you love and/or respect. You are choosing to disassociate from an organization that protects abusers and compromises itself in ways that it would never allow from its members. If all contact is cut off between you and individuals within the organization that is their choice, not yours.

Best wishes,
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Who of you in this forum have been df'ed?

by YoYoMama in

if it is possible can you post why you were disfellowshipped?

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YoYo,

I'm not disfellowshipped. Never have been, never will be.

I think I know where you're coming from, and that's probably why I don't feel the disgust toward you that some are voicing. YoYo, you're going through a very tough stage right now, one that most of us have been through: Catching a subconscious inkling that you've been believing a lie for X years, and fighting hard against what it will mean--the crumbling of your entire belief system, and probably the loss of loved ones.

I used to be a Regular Pioneer and MS, and was known as a super-spiritual brother, and all that good stuff (which means I was a pompous, arrogant, judgmental jerk) but I never railed against "apostates" more than when I was starting to have tiny nagging doubts that prayer and study wouldn't silence. My therapy was to visit sites like this one, or IRC chat forums. When I saw the debauched lives that these former brothers were leading, and the abject hatred that they had for our Loving Father and Universal Sovereign, Jehovah, I was appalled and excited at the same time. You know the feeling--being horrified at how debased former Lovers of Divine Wisdom could be, yet giddy at the prospect of seeing them destroyed when God's Mighty Day of Judgment arrived.

But a funny thing happened. I ran into more and more arguments that I couldn't refute. I found it harder to defend doctrinal inconsistancies that I, myself, was struggling with internally. Eventually (and I won't lie to you, it took a long time and was very painful, emotionally) I decided to take an honest look at all of my beliefs. The rest is history.

YoYo, if you continue visiting sites like this, and the informational sites like Randy's, I'm confident you'll one day be responding to some poor misguided JW who takes on a desperate air of superiority--making a point of finding out who's DFd so he can make sure not to respond to them--as a last-ditch effort to prove to himself that the questions that keep him awake at night don't mean he's spiritually weak. Just go easy on the guy, will ya? Remember that he's no different than you were way back when; he won't listen to your arguments--no matter how logical--until he's ready.

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Why we don't give children markers...

by closer2fine in

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got this off another chat board.

lol.

closer.

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Can you imagine the screaming you're going to hear when mom tries to SCRUB the ink of the baby's face? On the other hand, the little tyke looks so high from the fumes that she won't feel a thing.

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if 1000 years =1 day to God the:

by rekless in

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jesus only was away from god for 33 minutes.. i would let my children suffer like jesus if i knew they would be with me for the rest of eternity.

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Well, 1000 years does NOT equal 1 day. There is no scripture that says 1000 years equals one day... hence the logic is flawed.
Have you forgotten that in the spirit realm they are NOT bound by time like we are? Hence they can talk and do things instantaneously. The whole revelation can be completed in 11 earth mins.

You're correct. It has been proven scripturally that the spirit realm is akin to a plasma universe. Our intrusion in that realm would cause an imbalance of neutrinos (galactic mass between parrallel universes becoming unequal) and would open a hole for Species 8472 to invade our universe of n-dimensional space. This might not be a bad thing, however, since Species 8472 gives the bOrg fits.

Reversing the polarity of the Heisenberg Discombobulator will allow us to remain phase-shifted for an extended period of time (thus prolonging the 1914 Generation). In such a confluence of events, it could indeed be said that "the entire revolution" around the galaxy could take 11 Terran minutes.

Thank you for your input.
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Fascinating Reading

by chappy in

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if any of you need a break from the controversy and fluff of late, i'm attaching a link to a fascinating essay on the "holy grail" and the bloodline of christ.

totaly factual or not, i think it will hold your attention for the 30 min.

or so that it takes to read.

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I actually found all of this pretty fascinating, interesting enough to go to the bookstore and peruse the lengthy book, Bloodline of the Holy Grail: The Hidden Lineage of Jesus Revealed.

It presents a picture where the miracles of Jesus--in fact, most miracles in the Bible--are out of the ordinary, given the socio-religious atmospheres of the times, but not supernatural events. While it was interesting and seemed plausible, I just don't have the time to verify what he says, and I'm not about to buy someone else's interpretations of ancient biblical manuscripts and conclusions about social customs in ancient Israel--been there, done that.

I didn't read the whole book, but let's assume everything he writes is true... Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene and has a line of heirs that can be traced to today (from Israel to France to Scotland). My question is "so what?" He debunks any divinity of Jesus, so that means you've got descendants of an ancient king who have been deposed and robbed of their birthright? Join the club. We can all probably trace our heritage back to someone who ruled something, sometime, but doesn't any more.

Europe's history is nothing but one long political intrigue. Still, I saw a piece about the Knights Templar on PBS or The History Channel a while back, and I'd like to see it again and see if the facts as they present them would fit into this "secret" knowledge just coming out.

All-in-all an interesting read. It ties together just about every secret society in European history--the Knights Templar, Rosicrucians, Masons, Secret College--and every famous person--Leonardo Da Vinci, King Arthur, the US's founding fathers, and PeeWee Herman) into one neat bundle all trying to get one guy (the present-day Count of Albany) the throne that his great-great-great-(infinity)-grandfather (Jesus) lost.

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LET'S MAKE A LITTLE WAGER

by You Know in

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perhaps you recall the instance in the bible where samson made a wager with the philistines that they couldnt guess his riddle.

as it turned out they wheedled the answer out of him by his fiancee, but the point is that they had a wager.

since the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that we are not living in the last days of this system of things, and that this world is not facing anything remotely like the biblical apocalypse, at least not any time soon, in the spirit of such antagonism, i would like to propose a similar wager.

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dubla,

I read the first few pages of this neverending thread, than a couple in the middle, and the last few, and I just want you to know that I recognize and appreciate your amazing sacrifices. You, my friend, are a true hero.

To wade through all of YKs doubletalk and contradictions for 500 posts is a herculean effort that I suspect few of us have had the stamina to follow, let alone actively participate in. Yet you've been there from the beginning with a polecat's tenacity, a lawyer's attention to verbal detail, and an economists ability to expose oxymoronic bull/bear depression/war hyperinflation/hyperdeflation tomayto/tomahto BS that leaves me astounded. Bravo brave soldier, and carry on... for the good of us all.

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ps you also have a nice picture, and if I were a gal, I'd want to do nasty things to you

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UN update needed

by Hmmm in

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after letting my little un bomb lie like a dead mackerel for weeks, my mother suddenly emailed me with thoughts of love an encouragement.

she is deathly afraid that i've allowed satan to not only lead me astray, but to be used as a weapon to attack my poor unsupecting family.

(my email put out the bare facts, two links, and questions about the veracity of the claims, as presented to me by "a brother i know.").

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ThiChi,

D'OH! I forgot all about the established sites. How could I forget Randy's UN slide presentation, rivaling the Photodrama of Creation slides in impact and artistic flair? I can offer no excuses, it was sloppy journalism on my part. I'll check out the sites today.

Thanks for the reminder,
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UN update needed

by Hmmm in

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after letting my little un bomb lie like a dead mackerel for weeks, my mother suddenly emailed me with thoughts of love an encouragement.

she is deathly afraid that i've allowed satan to not only lead me astray, but to be used as a weapon to attack my poor unsupecting family.

(my email put out the bare facts, two links, and questions about the veracity of the claims, as presented to me by "a brother i know.").

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After letting my little UN bomb lie like a dead mackerel for weeks, my mother suddenly emailed me with thoughts of love an encouragement. She is deathly afraid that I've allowed Satan to not only lead me astray, but to be used as a weapon to attack my poor unsupecting family. (My email put out the bare facts, two links, and questions about the veracity of the claims, as presented to me by "a brother I know.")

Anyhoo, for good or ill, I'm going to respond, and I'd like some help from the unwashed masses.

-The Society's pat answer seems to have shaken out as "we joined for a library card, but the nanosecond they changed the membership rules, we withdrew." I seem to recall someone refuting this claim, that the UN has confirmed that the membership requirements were the same in 1991 as 2001. Where might I find evidence of this? If it comes down to the society vs the UN, JWs will believe the society, but quoting the UN on their affiliation requirements is still better than quoting Joe Apostate.

-Resolutions 1296 and 1297, from 1968, are supposed to plainly lay out the expectations of affiliated NGOs. Where can I find these resolutions? I searched the UN web site, but got no hits.

Any other help would be greatly appreciated. I followed the UN threads with great interest earlier, but lately havent been on the boards much at all, and I feel out of touch.

Thanks in advance,
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