Posts by possible-san

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Grace According to JW's. Your thoughts will be appreciated.

by Lily Pie in

hi, i'm a bit of a lurker on this site occasionally, just to help me understand my jw relative.

i am so curious to ask this question, but i fear asking a practicing jw, because you know, they can be a tad evasive, and maybe defensive too.

lutherans say.

possible-san

"unchanged love"

Sorry,
"unchanging love" is correct.

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Grace According to JW's. Your thoughts will be appreciated.

by Lily Pie in

hi, i'm a bit of a lurker on this site occasionally, just to help me understand my jw relative.

i am so curious to ask this question, but i fear asking a practicing jw, because you know, they can be a tad evasive, and maybe defensive too.

lutherans say.

possible-san

debator.

I would like to tell you an interesting information.
On my website, I have tried to translate the Bible from Greek.
http://godpresencewithin.web.fc2.com/pages/possible/possibleyaku.html

There, that Greek word "charis" is always translated into "Kawaranu Ai" in Japanese.

If that Japanese word "Kawaranu ai" is translated into English, it is "unchanged love" "constant love" "unfailing love."
For instance, "Ephesians 6:24." (In Hebrew, that Greek word is "Chesedh" mostly.)
http://godpresencewithin.web.fc2.com/pages/possible/ephesians06.html

That is telling us that God's "unfailing love."
And that is "Grace."

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Grace According to JW's. Your thoughts will be appreciated.

by Lily Pie in

hi, i'm a bit of a lurker on this site occasionally, just to help me understand my jw relative.

i am so curious to ask this question, but i fear asking a practicing jw, because you know, they can be a tad evasive, and maybe defensive too.

lutherans say.

possible-san

debator.

Well, in my country (Japan), it is stipulated in a Copyright Law, that when you quote from books/materials, you have to make a clear distinction between the "quoted passages" and the "texts written by you."

Doesn't your country have such a law?

I think that you should respect such a law, if you are an active JW.

But, the Governing Body of JW would not show the sources clearly.
http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-jw-anti-trinity-booklet-footnotes.htm

You also bear a strong resemblance to those leaders/GB. (I think)

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272

Grace According to JW's. Your thoughts will be appreciated.

by Lily Pie in

hi, i'm a bit of a lurker on this site occasionally, just to help me understand my jw relative.

i am so curious to ask this question, but i fear asking a practicing jw, because you know, they can be a tad evasive, and maybe defensive too.

lutherans say.

possible-san

debator.

Hi possible San

I did not feel quoting the whole article was needed for just getting meanings and the articles were simply quoing named sources so I cannot see how you can say this is dishonest? There was no pretense that I am a greek lexicon.

I do not need your "excuse", and I advised that you should "correct/improve" that style/manner of writing of yours.
Can't you comprehend the intention of my writings exactly?

In that "style/manner of writing" of yours, many people cannot distinguish "the sentences written by you" or "the sentences written by others."

Usually, in this forum, this forum has a function in which you can distinguish "the text written by you" from "the text written by others."
That is, it is "Blockquote", or "quote" in styles.

For example,...

This is "Blockquote."

And this is "quote" in styles.

And, the reason you should show links/address is it's for you to show that you did not write those texts.
For instance, I would quote the same text from "Wikipedia", too.

"St Paul's agape was not primarily about good works and giving to the poor (And though I feed the poor with all my goods, and though I give my body, that I be burned, and have not love [agape], it profiteth menothing - 1 Cor 13:3, Geneva translation, 1560), although in English the word "charity" has steadily acquired this as its primary meaning, wherein it was firstused in Old French at least since the year 1200 A.D.."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charity_(practice)

Probably, nobody misunderstands this quoted passages as "possible-san wrote this."

Please compare with your style/manner of writing (your post No.547).
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/200266/1/Grace-According-to-JWs-Your-thoughts-will-be-appreciated

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272

Grace According to JW's. Your thoughts will be appreciated.

by Lily Pie in

hi, i'm a bit of a lurker on this site occasionally, just to help me understand my jw relative.

i am so curious to ask this question, but i fear asking a practicing jw, because you know, they can be a tad evasive, and maybe defensive too.

lutherans say.

possible-san

debator.

Since it seemed you have investigated the original language of the Bible carefully, I respected you this time.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/200266/1/Grace-According-to-JWs-Your-thoughts-will-be-appreciated

But, most contents of your post are "copies & paste."

For instance, probably the first materials are from here.
http://onlytruegod.org/defense/kharis_undeservedkindness.htm

And the sentences of the second half are from "Wikipedia."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charity_(practice)

The sentences written by you are only 2 or three lines.
Why don't you show links/address?

I feel that your style/manner of writing is "insincere/dishonest."

I advise you to correct that "style/manner of writing" of yours.
For you are an active Jehovah's Witness.

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looking for quote about research own religion

by Aussie Oz in

i am looking for some sort of quote to show the kids that its ok to investigate their own religion.

something from a recent book or watchtower would be great!.

like... nothing to fear, we have nothing to hide, truth can stand investigation, make sure of it foryourself sort of thing i guess!.

possible-san

Aussie Oz.

(Is This Life All There Is?, 1974)
*** ts chap. 5 p. 46 What Is This Thing Called “Soul”? ***
Knowing these things, what will you do?
It is obvious that the true God, who is himself “the God of truth” and who hates lies, will not look with favor on persons who cling to organizations that teach falsehood. (Psalm 31:5; Proverbs 6:16-19; Revelation 21:8)
And, really, would you want to be even associated with a religion that had not been honest with you?
(You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth, 1989)
*** pe chap. 3 p. 31 par. 15 Your Religion Really Matters ***
Since many religions today are not doing God’s will, we cannot simply assume that the teachings of the religious organization we are associated with are in agreement with God’s Word.
The mere fact that the Bible is used by a religion does not of itself prove that all the things it teaches and practices are in the Bible.
It is important that we ourselves examine whether they are or not.
Persons in the city of Beroea were commended because, after the Christian apostle Paul preached to them, they checked the Scriptures to make sure that the things he was telling them were true. (Acts 17:10, 11)
The religion that is approved by God must agree in every way with the Bible; it will not accept certain parts of the Bible and reject other parts.—2 Timothy 3:16.
(You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth, 1989)
*** pe chap. 3 pp. 32-33 par. 20 Your Religion Really Matters ***
How should you feel if proof is given that what you believe is wrong?
For example, say that you were in a car, traveling for the first time to a certain place.
You have a road map, but you have not taken time to check it carefully.
Someone has told you the road to take.
You trust him, sincerely believing that the way he has directed you is correct.
But suppose it is not.
What if someone points out the error?
What if he, by referring to your own map, shows that you are on the wrong road?
Would pride or stubbornness prevent you from admitting that you are on the wrong road?
Well, then, if you learn from an examination of your Bible that you are traveling a wrong religious road, be willing to change.
Avoid the broad road to destruction; get on the narrow road to life!
(Mankind’s Search for God, 1990)
*** sh chap. 1 pp. 9-10 pars. 13-14 Why Be Interested in Other Religions? ***
Is it reasonable to assume that the religion imposed at one’s birth is necessarily the whole truth?
If you were born in Italy or South America, then, without any choice, you were probably raised a Catholic.
If you were born in India, then likely you automatically became a Hindu or, if from the Punjab, perhaps a Sikh.
If your parents were from Pakistan, then you would obviously be a Muslim.
And if you were born in a Socialist country over the last few decades, you might have had no choice but to be raised an atheist.—Galatians 1:13, 14; Acts 23:6.
Therefore, is the religion of one’s birth automatically the true one, approved by God?
If that had been the concept followed over the millenniums, many among mankind would still be practicing primitive shamanism and ancient fertility cults, on the premise that ‘what was good enough for my ancestors is good enough for me.’

*** w83 4/15 p. 20 par. 15 True Freedom Under Kingdom Rule ***
The Bible clearly shows that there is truth, what it is, where it is and who has it.
The question for each one is this: Do you really want the truth?
*** w01 4/1 pp. 6-7 Kingdom Blessings Can Be Yours ***
You have nothing to lose from examining your religious beliefs in this way.
In fact, you should want to do so because the Bible urges us: “Make sure of all things; hold fast to what is fine.” (1 Thessalonians 5:21)
*** g73 11/8 p. 28 Is It a Sin to Change Religions? ***
Each individual is responsible before God to make an examination of his religious beliefs in the light of Bible truth.
If such an examination reveals that one’s religion does not agree with the Bible, what should he do?
Well, what did Abraham, Ruth, Peter, Paul and other faithful servants of Jehovah God do with reference to the religions formerly practiced?
Keep in mind God’s command at 1 Thessalonians 5:21: “Make sure of all things; hold fast to what is fine.”
This involves leaving behind what is false.
Concerning the world empire of false religion, called “Babylon the Great,” Revelation 18:4 commands: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.”
(John 3:19-21, NWT)
“. . .Now this is the basis for judgment, that the light has come into the world but men have loved the darkness rather than the light, for their works were wicked.
For he that practices vile things hates the light and does not come to the light, in order that his works may not be reproved.
But he that does what is true comes to the light, in order that his works may be made manifest as having been worked in harmony with God.””

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Jesus an Archangel in "Pseudepigraphical" Gospel:

by hamsterbait in

i was reading my book of "lost scriptures" by bart ehrman last night.. i found the scriptures that said christ was created an archangel.

unfortunately, the book has no index (even tho published by oxford university press) when i came to post today i cannot find the page, and dont have time right now to search.. i thought i would throw this out and see what emerges.... however - i am in no doubt that freddie franz read these books and culled some of his ideas from them - including the idea that jesus is michael the archangel.

after all the so called "reasoning from the scriptures" does not prove this does it?.

possible-san

hamsterbait.

Probably, the part which you found may be this.

The Gospel of the Ebionites, Chapter(Fragment?) 7
They do not allege that he was born from God the Father, but that he was created as one of the archangels, yet was made greater than they, since he rules over the angels and all things made by the Almighty.
And, as found in their Gospel, they say that when he came he taught, "I have come to destroy the sacrifices.
And if you do not stop making sacrifice, God's wrath will not stop afflicting you." (Epiphanius, Panarion, 30, 16, 4–5)
(Lost Scriptures: Books That Did Not Make it into the New Testament, by Bart D. Ehrman. OXFORD UNIVERSITY PRESS. p.14)

Well, I have the PDF of that book (Lost Scriptures).
That is searchable PDF. (The word "archangels" is hit 16 times in that book.)

If you want that PDF, please send PM to me.
I'll show you that link.

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A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, by BRUCE M. METZGER

by possible-san in

a textual commentary on the greek new testament, by bruce m. metzger.

chm file (e book), 1.25mb.

http://anonym-to.com/?http://rapidshare.com/files/100421737/textual_commentary-greek_new_testament.rar.

possible-san

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GK8TZRV0

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A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, by BRUCE M. METZGER

by possible-san in

a textual commentary on the greek new testament, by bruce m. metzger.

chm file (e book), 1.25mb.

http://anonym-to.com/?http://rapidshare.com/files/100421737/textual_commentary-greek_new_testament.rar.

possible-san

A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, by BRUCE M. METZGER

CHM File (e book), 1.25MB
http://anonym-to.com/?http://rapidshare.com/files/100421737/Textual_Commentary-Greek_New_Testament.rar

http://www.ebooksx.com/A-Textual-Commentary-on-the-Greek-New-Testament_29225.html

In my PC environment, this file does not display Greek correctly.
Probably, this file may be useful to the person who bought this book.

Well, with regard to "John 14:14" that I introduced before, it is written like this.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/199306/1/PDF-The-New-Testament-in-the-Original-Greek-1882-by-Westcott-and-Hort

14.14 "me" {B}
Either the unusual collocation, "ask me in my name," or a desire to avoid contradiction with 16.23 seems to have prompted (a) the omission of "me" in a variety of witnesses (A D K L P Y Byz al) or (b) its replacement with "ton patera" (249 397).
The word "me" is adequately supported (P66 aleph B W D Q f13 28 33 700 al) and seems to be appropriate in view of its correlation with "ego", later in the verse.

(A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, by BRUCE M. METZGER. p.208
Well, the mark of " " of the Greek parts is insertion by me.)

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The cat which stands

by possible-san in

the cat which stands.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3xucjbsm90.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apmvmdeae80.

possible-san

Meeting Junkie No More.

Thank you for your comment.