Posts by truthlover

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Elder giving special talk has lunch with us...shuts me down for asking about society money..lol?

by Witness 007 in

we had a nice lunch with the elder giving the "special talk" but the conversation turned toward the cancelled bookstudy....well i went on to explain how knorr made too many meetings for brothers with families and how good it was to have a free night {even though i go to one meeting a week} then i said: "well, headquarters seems to have a very buisness smart brother working there with the publications now for donations due to tax and selling all those buildings in the heart of new york for millions and moving out....{elder interupts me] "yes, but, jehovah is the one who is buisness smart brother..." i thought wtf!

weird response, like was it too un-spiritual?

did jehoover really "tell" brothers to sell in new york?

truthlover

Re the cancelled book study comment by 007-

Theory - cancel the one night per week - that leaves the way open for another congregation or two to meet at the hall, sell off the other one or two halls, money in the bank, esp in our country where all the halls are owned by the WTBT$ and renovations are going on everywhere, paid for by the dubs

Jah doesnt deal with monies, has no use for it- for the CO to even put Jah into the picture was sooo wrong-- and we all know why this sell off is being done in other countries, our time will come as the economy worsens and people lose their jobs and cant donate anymore

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Watchtower July 15th - womanly submission issue scan

by dozy in

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truthlover

I cant subscribe to that mentality.. my hubby was a JW, I wasnt, we got married, I got baptized, he became an elder and I an elders wife..

My hubby was a funny guy, was very outgoing and personal, concerned about people-we both worked, I took care of paying bills, house

We had our arguments, we had our good times, a lot of them - he got what he wanted, I got what I wanted, we spoiled each other--all I had to do was suggest something and stop talking, he would come around and do whatever I wanted, so I could not complain..

He died and I thank God that I was as involved with doing everything I could while he was alive - I learned a lot and am able to survive, not like those who are a submissive lot and depend on their husbands to show them what to do as far as driving, paying bills, etc. It is a shock to many wives to have to take care of themselves when a death occurs - women should be knowledgeable, thats why they have a brain!

Eve was submissive to her husband only AFTER the sin - when God decreed she would be -- yet many religionists have taken this to indicate a woman be of lesser value in a man's eyes from that time on - I can only think of that Levite who allowed his wife to be raped and then cut her in twelve pieces.. maybe there was a moral to that story but I cant find it ...

submissive doesnt mean being a fool

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OK.Who the He$$ is Lying???

by sammielee24 in

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friends

i just read this coming in from a doctor in texas.

sammieswife.. dr. marcus gitterle, an emergency medicine physician based out of new braunfels, texas, sent out an internal alert which contains several stunning claims about swine flu that, if true, officials have presumably sought to keep from the public.. dr. marcus gitterle, an emergency medicine physician based out of new braunfels, texas, sent out an e mail alert to his patients which contains several stunning claims about swine flu that, if true, officials have presumably sought to keep from the public.. after i returned from a public health meeting yesterday with community leaders and school officials in comal county and hays county, (name removed) suggested i send an update to my patients in the area, because what we are hearing privately from the cdc and health department is different from what you are hearing in the media, writes gitterle.. the doctor claims that the actual number of confirmed cases of swine flu is 10 to 25 times worse than has been reported, and that people are not recovering easily, as has been claimed, but that many americans are in fact seriously ill.. the way they fudge on reporting this is that it takes 3 days to get the confirmatory nod from the cdc on a given viral culture, but based on epidemiological grounds, we know that there are more than 10 cases for each confirmed case right now, claims gitterle.. .

click for enlargements.

truthlover

In Canada no deaths but a lot of cases... differentiating it from the normal flu with tests being done on all those sick.. it takes 24-48 hours for it to come on after contact and two days to get servere -they have set up a lot of clinics specifically for treating the flu- once diagnosed - stay at home and do not return to school, work, etc. for at least 7 days -- a lot are in quarantine that have been diagnosed with Swine flu..

In Mexico, no field service, no book studies, no assemblies, no meetings

This is a 3 virus issue - swine, bird and human viruses -- kind of strange isnt it? Especially when some product went missing from a lab about 3 weeks prior to the advent of this virus--according to the Washington Post.... and it is changing its makeup as it infects people... interesting... kind of Fringe like

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Accidental Instantaneous Sex

by rebel8 in

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the litter-ature over the years has teachings that imply jehovah's special people are all on the verge of having unplanned sex on a moment's notice, with anyone, at any time.. you must have a chaperone if you are to be alone with someone of the opposite sex, even briefly.. this applies to people of any ages.

you could be a 99-year-old raisin whose flagpole hasn't risen since rutherford was living in beth sarim, but you still shouldn't be alone with a pimply 16-year-old shy obese virgin who still plays with barbie dolls.

she's a seductress!

truthlover

Going back to WC remarks about Joseph.... the question that comes into mind for me anyway is:

--if Joseph was being harassed sexually for such a long time, why didnt he have an attendant or 3 always with him, after the first sexual approach by Potiphars wife?? He was in control of his masters house, he could have done it..yet he is set as an example of how loyal he was, wasnt neccessary if he would have protected himself,being sent to prison, but I guess he was set as an example for us so he was able to eventually take over rulership of the Egyptian nation... couldnt that have happened without the harassment??

and:

a few years back, an elder who was a widower, proposed to a sister and travelled everywhere with her alone... what happened to the chaperone rule there - only for some ---- granted he was over 60 and she was about 10 years younger, but loves shines bright at any age,yet this was allowed to go on...so what does that teach impressionable ones..........kinda hypocritical, I would say

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Was NOAH excited to see dead bodies all over??

by african GB Member in

did it give him happiness to see all those bodies of "worldly" people lying all over?.

did it show him how loving jehovah is?.

african gb member.

truthlover

As Noah was in a closed ark - supposedly - with a "window" at the top - smell would be awful -- they remained in the ark close to a year - therefore, no bodies would be floating, no mass of bones would be evident when the waters subsided either as they would have been scattered all over the waters and settle wherever, anyhow.......

The AGB member would know this ... r they just here for the ride?? Methinks its just a put on.. or put down

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I've been thinking about starting smoking. Should I ....

by Quirky1 in

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friends

start with the patch or the gum?

?.

truthlover

Well other than health issues popping up -- asthma, bronchitis, heart, lung cancer and on and on, its expensive

Here in Canada cigs are $11.00 per pkg --- not carton! Think of how many packs a day x 7days a week x 4 weeks per month x 12 months per year and see what you could buy with that - new video, audio, new clothes, man dont be silly

Dont give the cig companies your hard earned dollars

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Curing Cancer With Baking Soda

by Tired of the Hypocrisy in

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friends

hey gang, i got a link from a buddy of mine on how cancer can be fought off with baking soda.

i read the article and while i can't prove or disprove the claims, it seems like some reasonable information and it sure can't hurt to try it.

thought i'd share it with you all.. http://www.bamboo-delight.com/download/cure_cancer_with_baking_soda.htm.

truthlover

That is excellent information -- I printed off all the 8 pages

I knew how impt it was to keep our bodies akaline - lowly lemons are acid in taste but turn the body akaline, so have an unsweetened lemon drink once or twice a day - cleanses the liver too

Food grade Hydrogen Peroxide - mixed with water to dilute - is another way to get cancer killed

Also Activated Oxygen - you can buy in Health food stores

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Long term effects of Armageddon images

by Lady Lee in

someone i know is having a hard time with anxiety attacks.

she hasn't been a jw since a teen.

recently she has started seeing a therapist.

truthlover

LL:

I have talked numerous times with our son on this subject and feel so guilty that this is my fault that he is in such a state.. but he "counsels" me that he has to get thru this and he does, most of the time now, but is still under a MD's guidance and he is looking to naturopaths, etc. to help him to understand why his body is doing what it is doing -- - he is working around it to some degree, but it always, always comes up somehow in our conversations which are on a regular basis.. I truly believe his next stop is the phsychiatrists couch...over the years he has become an ardent reader, still believes that God is good and that Jesus is the only way, and there are good people in the truth, just doesnt want anything to do with it. Cant blame him there, we all have to stand before the judgement seat and God will be the final judge of all our heart conditions..

Good your children arent manifesting any recurrent illnesses because of the "indoctrination"

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Long term effects of Armageddon images

by Lady Lee in

someone i know is having a hard time with anxiety attacks.

she hasn't been a jw since a teen.

recently she has started seeing a therapist.

truthlover

I too have a son who believes he has PTSD from the images he saw and heard at the hall. He envisions terrible things and still in his 40's, has nightmares.

Needless to say his life experiences didnt help him to have more faith, in all, it turned him from his faith and now suffers from a myriad of problems I feel, were caused by those images -- IBS, chronic fatigue, racing heart, -- stressors -- he is and was a very sympathetic person, and cant stand to see anyone mistreated, child, woman, dog, etc... he has a good heart and wants to help folks but cant seem to shake this traumatic part of his life...

Now looking at most religions, they too have their shock values - burning in hell for eternity, another life an an insect, etc.I dont think they put as much emphasis on death and total destruction as the WTBT$... Unfortunately, we brought him up in the truth, thinking we were doing the right thing, and all he can see is what was learned at an early age. A lot of kids can take it, a lot of others cannot and its wise on a parents part to understand and know that this is a terrible gift for someone to have to visit in the night on a regular basis. I guess by that statement, I wasnt doing a good job of protecting him..I can see that now but then thought we were one of the priviledged few million that would make it...how times have changed

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Mary and the Memorial-- Comments Please

by truthlover in

does anyone think its strange that if those faithful ones i.e.

mary magdalene, mary, mother of jesus, lazarus, martha, etc.

were to die following jesus' death, that they should have been included in the emblem taking since his death opened up the way for those" members of the 144,000" and they were his closest associates, next to the 12 - one of whom was a traitor?

truthlover

Does anyone think its strange that if those faithful ones i.e. Mary Magdalene, Mary, mother of Jesus, Lazarus, Martha, etc. were to die following Jesus' death, that they should have been included in the emblem taking since his death opened up the way for those" members of the 144,000" and they were his closest associates, next to the 12 - one of whom was a traitor? Why was it only the twelve? Because of the 12 tribes...

I must have missed something in my studies