I thought the statement in par 6 that we need courage because MERE MEN may demand that we act contrary to God's will was strange...... Are they speaking of the Austrailian court issues? or the courts may be after them to change the 2 witness rule about pedophelia since they are calling elders meetings this week on this issue?? and I also did mark par 8 as well, that is mentioned above that we need to be strengthened in the coming months.... great minds think alike, I take it The society always mentions changes within thee DC, CA, mags it intentions months ahead and slowly, repeats it in different articles, and then gets it placed in context so it will be accepted when it hits...psychological warfare at its best..
truthlover
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JANUARY 15TH 2013 STUDY EDITION. ???????????????
by DATA-DOG ini have been skimming the magazine this morning, and the whole issue seems designed to keep the flock at the kh.
yes, i know this is not exactly " new " information.
still with all the problems the organization is having, this one just seemed to strike me as odd.
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TV Show, 'The Bible'
by LV101 inanyone planning to watch 'the bible' tv show march 3 on the history channel.
five episodes focusing on o/t and five about the n/t.
any thoughts?
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Have my PVR ready to go and also taping the Vikings.. I love epic productions like this.. so hope it is good.
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When Was The Last Time "The Friends" Checked Up On You? Spiritual or Social Visit?
by ÁrbolesdeArabia ini know of two couples who left the congregation i faded from, they two have never received a shepherding call, i was usually the one who came by with food or offered to help clean their homes.
most of you are beyond this like i am, this goes to the new members arriving here who might think the "friends" are coming to check up on them.
the elders in my former hall were too much into drinking and eating, average body weight was 265lbs with pumpkin shaped bodies.
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phone call, last month - not because I was ill, but wanted my time - no asking how I was - that was my spiritual visit.. no shepherding calls as I refused the last 2 requests - had things to do
during time of sickness - only my friends who knew I was ill called or asked if I needed help
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Help me figure out what to say...I'm not usually at a loss for words
by Terry inwell, i finally found him on facebook!.
his name is tollie padgett.
he was my congregation overseer (before the "elder" changeover) when i was in prison in seagoville in the late 60's.. i've been searching for him for years and years.
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So he friended you....
I think your account of the friendship can be spoken of, how much you appreciated all he did for you and that you love him for his caring and protectiveness. He seems to be the kind not to be afraid of anything and use all in his power to overcome what seems like insurmountable obstacles, using the powers that be in his favor to get justice rather than just letting it be taken care of by those in the congregation who should be caring for your life and soul. For all the words spoken of off the platform, rarely do you see such enthusiasm or caring actually acted upon.
If nothing else comes of it, at least he will know your true feelings and that he is one person who you admire trememdously. Because, as you well know, once it is said you have left the truth and he and his wife are still in, its a slippery slope from there on down. But no matter what comes of it, at least he will know your gratitude in standing up for you when others did not.... he may come back to you and with all your knowledge and quick wit, being quite a master of language and start asking questions himself... you never know...
Just my 2 cents
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Special Assembly in Puerto Rico Coliseum to annouce Branch Closure
by Calebs Airplane inso, 2 weekends ago, my wife is showing an apartment to a potential buyer in the financial district of san juan and walks the buyer over to the balcony to show her the awesome views.
the buyer looks down at a crowd approaching puerto rico coliseum (aka jose miguel agrelot coliseum) and asked my wife: "are those jehovah's witnesses?
" my wife looks down from 19 stories up, notices the "pioneer pace" of the crowd and says: "yes.
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If Jehovah blessed the opening of the branch - what does he think about the closing of it, and all the others?
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Question 3 of this weeks Oral Review???
by Comatose in3.. why did jesus say that his disciples would not complete their circuit of preaching "until the son of man arrives"?
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10:23) [jan. 14, w10 9/15 p. 10 par.
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When Jesus returns --- doesn't He separate the sheep from the goats - indicating only he knows anyone's heart condition and that nations who have not heard the "good News" will have a chance to acept or reject? and on that note - there is a rumor that the society is pulling missionaries out of some countries - could that be because they are in danger iof death from those who do not want prostelites in their country?
That is probably spelled wrong, but you get the drift.
Now I now the society says he returned in 1914-1918 but I cant go along with that premise... mainly because He says when he returns, only then will he give his FDS all his belongings and that has not happened yet, according to the Annual Meeting spiel in Oct 2012 and delivered by the holy ones - the GB members!
Will be interesting to see what spin is put on this if someone is thinking..otherwise, they will read the answer in the cited info.
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I am totally confoused who is the Faithful and Discreet Slave Class?
by booker-t ini have been hearing and reading on websites about some "new light" jws are saying concerning the faithful and discreet slave class.
it sounds like the same information they have been saying for years.
i was always taught the faithful and discreet slave class is the annoited governing body members dispensing food at the proper time for the non annoited jws.
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So expanding this a little farther, does this mean that the number of anointed does not apply anymore if only the eight in Brooklyn are termed as only the FDS, the others don't matter as the Wt was trying to tell us last year when it said they don't know who they are and don't need to know the number??
A good way to get rid of the promise that as soon as the anointed die off ( as was always the case with the reducing in numbers), then the GT would be here!! That is now out the window with this Annual Meeting thinking
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Recorded Judicial Meeting by 19 year old
by BlindersOff1 in.
he runs circles around the dogmatic elders.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lko0vmqfyau.
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Thanks Terry and FInkelstein, I thought I was off base when I made my comment about the attitude. I have seen other videos of folks who recorded their JC's and found them to be very tasteful in their presentation. Tl
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I asked an elder today...from the horse's mouth!
by Julia Orwell intoday's watchtower made out that the combining of branch offices around the world is a loving provision from jehovah to streamline the production, but i had to ask an elder afterwards, even though i already knew the answer.... "if the wts is selling off bethels and brooklyn property and cutting the publishing costs and commitments, then where is all that money going?".
elder replies, "well the donations are just not coming in anymore and so they have to sell off property to stay afloat.".
gee, i thought if this was jehovah's approved organisation carrying vital truth to the world, then he'd be making sure the donations would be sufficient.
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Never saw any recent annual report from Canada - you used to be able to get it online thru the Income Tax dept but dont know if you still can.. One year they had an income of $50 million.. that was back in 2004. I had the actual numbers - income and expenses for sev years prior to that too but destroyed them.
In the U S, I know that on the WW report it states there are over 1.1 million pubs - yet their hours and new baptisms are down vs Brazil who has only 720,000 pubs yet both have about the same number of baptisms.. seems the U S is starting to fall behind. The U S cong is increased from 2011 but baptisms are down, as I said.
All figures on the WW report are rounded - if it says 1 % growth, it is not a full percent but only a tenth of a percent is truthful..and when you look at those baptized and add that number to the average pubs, and then apply the two numbers to the so called 2012 aver pub it does not compute. There are 125,455 pubs missing or 81 million hours of preaching vanished.
I believe that with the closing of the branches, the truth, once again, is not being told to the pubs -as any reason spiritually, is accepted.
This can all translate (along with the child abuse cases) to falling income levels, yet they continue to build. Someone can correct me but some GB member said, "when the money stops coming in, Jehovahs blessing is gone too" or something along that line.. looks like that may be happening. I believe someof the growth is because of the bethelites in all countries being turned out to the field and the congregations now having to support them. After all, 2200 were removed to the field 3 years ago from Brooklyn... if they are showing only a 1% growth?? this yearbook, what would it have been without the extra bodies in the field?
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Elders- Have any of You faded Because of participating in a JC where the Arguments from the accused made sense to you?
by truthlover ini know the question is long, but it has occured to me that there are a lot of newbies here but before that, many ex elders, some co and do's that are no longer jw's.... did the publishers comments at a jc about the misconceptions,dates, and lack of holy spirit, etc.
make sense to you and did you start thinking about the failed prophecies, fudging the "new light" etc.
which caused you to slowly fade away.. .
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FHN, Glander and all..
I hope there are a lot of responses too.. I find it fascinating that elders, can for years, listen to those who have serious spiritual doubts and not be affected in some way. If they were to be psychiatrists, psychoanalysts, etc - which they are not, and deal with all types of personal and spiritual situations, it has to take a toll. Somewhere along the line, for all the praying they do to bring holy spirit and direction to the JC, surely that holy spirit would direct them to jump ship. I know that those who have stepped down refuse to go back to the responsibility but still maintain their meeting attendance while not agreeing in whole anymore with the society. "Hidden rocks"?? who knows
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