Posts by truthlover

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Christianity and the Dead Sea Scrolls-Do the Scrolls Help us Understand Early Christianity?

by fulltimestudent in

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i think most scholarship would agree with a positive answer to that question.

but let's take a look for oursselves.

geza vermes, in his excellent translation ( the complete dead sea scrolls in english-penguin.

truthlover

Will we e ver know what was truly written down for " our instruction?"

If you look at copyright laws and all the bible translations - a new bible has to be "significantly different from the orginal" to be copyrighted... so where does that leave us as to all the bibles floating around today?

Do we really know what the ....... we are talking about, arguing about, worrying about? You could not copyright the scrolls, yet the many religions who claim to be Christian have their own bibles supposedly copied from the scrolls( or Catholic translations since they did obtain many of the scrolls)-- and over the centuries many translations have used the right to copyright their own bibles to support their own beliefs.

Lordy, lordy!!

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Money to Org

by truthlover in

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i know this has been talked about to death but this week our loving faithful and discreet slave wrote a letter to all congregations in canada - keep 1500.00 a month in congregation expense account each month for the next three months coverage,(4500.00 in all) 5000.00 for any problems that may arise but send rest into them.

so aren't we lucky to have 9500.00 still left in the account!

the elder reading the letter indicated it was for the kingdom hall building work!!!.

truthlover

I know this has been talked about to death but this week our loving faithful and discreet slave wrote a letter to all congregations in Canada - keep 1500.00 a month in congregation expense account each month for the next three months coverage,(4500.00 in all) 5000.00 for any problems that may arise but send rest into them. so aren't we lucky to have 9500.00 still left in the account! The elder reading the letter indicated it was for the Kingdom hall building work!!!

Has any other congs in Canada received this letter??

No one dissented..

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses dedicate themselves to an organization or not? Which one is it?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

anyone that is/was a dedicated jehovah's witness knows that the worship of the ''faithful and discreet slave'' is the only relationship we know.i don't remember having a personal relationship with jehovah without the governing body being in the way.they make all the rules on every matter.anyone who thinks that jehovah has any control on your daily matters is a fool.jehovah's witnesses only answer to an organization!.

"we do not dedicate ourselves to a religion, nor to a man, nor to an organization.

no, we dedicate ourselves to the supreme sovereign of the universe, our creator, jehovah god himself.

truthlover

Back in the day - 70's - when we were asked the questions -- there was no leaving out of the holy spirit as Matthew wants-- baptize in the name of the father, son and holy spirit. - Today that is out and the org is in, your life is dedicated to the GB and the org-- Jesus is placed in the third position after the GB and that is so wrong.... so I ask myself often, what did I do? When I "joined" the truth was different, it has substantially morphed into something grotesque........

What I knew then is not what I See and hear now and it deeply disturbs me .......

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My RC hearing brought forward. Will be in two weeks

by umbertoecho in

through this forum of wonderful freaks, i have met someone who is coming with me to my hearing.

initially i was slated for next year, but will be attending in two weeks time.

all is in place from travel vouchers, support, where to go ............very efficient and well done.

truthlover

umbertoecho

Do you have any updates? How are you doing? It would be a stressful ordeal to go through..

Hope you are doing ok

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If a year is really 365 1/4 days why 360 days to calculate 1914

by blondie in

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doesn't that throw off the date?.

*** w51 6/15 p. 383 questions from readers ***.

in establishing the length of the seven times of the gentiles, a time or year of 360 days is used, to give 2,520 days, which become 2,520 years when ezekiel 4:6 is applied.

truthlover

DATES..........

That was a starting point for Ray Franz when he was doing the research for the Blue Aids book --precursor to the Insight Books -- he could not agree that the dates were correct and went to the GB about it... then started his downward trend towards disfellowshipping as he was not towing the line= it was only a matter of time after that when they found a way to get rid of him....

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Going Clear- Scientology- Movie made this year

by truthlover in

on tonight -- many of the leaders and co horts of david miscavidge on tonight who have left the organization.. it is scary how close they are to the jw's with the exception of the volcano episode and that we are "thetans",.... they hold out a carrot for each level of progression on the "ladder" - to immortality, telling all they will live forever in a peaceful, beautiful world- and of course, each step on the ladder means thousands of dollars and volunteers make 30 cents a day working on all their projects.

they fought for tax exemption as a religious organization, started by hubbard, who at level 8- the highest on the ladder - tells his thetans they are out of a spaced out world -- it is terrifying -- and they are supposed to be able to read minds, levitate things, others in the org are scared of them.... but the org are buying properties all over the world as a benefit for their thetahs" to show their good works.to the irs - building a massive real estate empire with publishing and volunteer labour...... watch it if you can.... .

sound familiar - .

truthlover

It was on one of the super channels in Canada

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Going Clear- Scientology- Movie made this year

by truthlover in

on tonight -- many of the leaders and co horts of david miscavidge on tonight who have left the organization.. it is scary how close they are to the jw's with the exception of the volcano episode and that we are "thetans",.... they hold out a carrot for each level of progression on the "ladder" - to immortality, telling all they will live forever in a peaceful, beautiful world- and of course, each step on the ladder means thousands of dollars and volunteers make 30 cents a day working on all their projects.

they fought for tax exemption as a religious organization, started by hubbard, who at level 8- the highest on the ladder - tells his thetans they are out of a spaced out world -- it is terrifying -- and they are supposed to be able to read minds, levitate things, others in the org are scared of them.... but the org are buying properties all over the world as a benefit for their thetahs" to show their good works.to the irs - building a massive real estate empire with publishing and volunteer labour...... watch it if you can.... .

sound familiar - .

truthlover

Haggis was the one they opened with and interviews several times -- he is very enlightening and funny -- there were also the ones who gave the dectector tests to clear a person.. so they were high ranking as well and verified how evil Miscavidge is.

Yes I just read about Serena and I can't think she is a JW.. I have watched her career, along with Venus, and for them to play in the Olympics, etc. and have the US flag drapped over their shoulders and the their dad doing the same... they must be quasi JW's - I first saw Venus and her first win when she gave the victory to Jehovah.

Money means everything - maybe they are big donors to the society

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2016 Yearbook service report stats - Excel spreadsheet download available

by Westenddave in

hello,.

i've posted the 2016 yearbook service report in excel format for public download.

here's the link: http://www.filedropper.com/2016yearbookofjwinexcelformat.

truthlover

Berry

DO you have the memorial parakers number vs last year??

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The Pain of Coming to a Decision

by daniel-p in

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it's been at least a couple years since i've posted anything on here, and much longer than that since when i was active.

ten years ago i first came here all in turmoil over my disillusionment of my beliefs.

i've been through lots of ups and downs since then.

truthlover

My son is in the same situation and we had a good talk again yesterday. He feels so much like a wounded warrior with PTSD. He can't sleep, his emotional imbalances are evident as it has affected his physical functions. Can't work, his mind is always racing, feels guilty although he is at the point he knows the pain of loss spiritually. He wants to believe yet he wants nothing to do with the society. He is a lost soul in my estimation and there is nothing much I can do but to listen and agree because I too have had soul searching .. and I can't fault him at all.

In essence, we are trapped - I was not brought up in the truth but he was - I can see things differently and don't feel the depression he does, I do feel the hypocrisy and lies and deception but I feel I can handle that - he has lost faith and that can be very tramautic so I tread carefully.

You on the other hand, you have a family to deal with and must tread carefully there too, and it will be a weight on your shoulders - be willing to get help from competent medical staff if you need it. You spiritual and mental health will be key to overcoming this - it will not leave you for a long time.. We are all ingrained and it may take years to get over. Love the kids and wife - take them with you everywhere, don't leave them alone - rekindle what you had and make them your first priority as your mind will fall into place as time goes on as you see them respond to your attention.

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What did you have for Christmas dinner?

by GrreatTeacher in

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my inlaws are polish, though my husband is a 3rd generation american, but the food traditions have stuck around.. we have christmas eve dinner starting with red beet soup with sour cream, pierogies filled with mashed potatoes or saurkraut, ham, polish sausage sliced and cooked with saurkraut, turkey (that part is american), krischickies (likely spelled wrong) which are crispy pastries dipped in powdered sugar, and apple pie (also american.).

there are goodnatured threats toward bad children who may need to get their dupa busted (butt spanked) and therefore santa will bring figismachen.

i also love golabkis (ground beef and rice wrapped in cabbage leaves), but these were not served this time.

truthlover

Always had turkey dinner with all the trimmings - even in the truth -- it was a holiday and the turkey was cheaper so why not!!

This week had pot roast - chicken, mashed potatoes, combined carrots and turnips mashed, cranberry sauce, bread and potato dressing - home made and beef gravy....... will be eating it for a few days -- my kid took a lot home too.

So good