Posts by truthlover

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SURVEY: How many who are still "IN" are really out mentally (Do I need to put " S E X " in the Title to increase the number of hits on it?)

by DesirousOfChange in

there was quite a debate on another post about the increase/decrease throughout the wt history surrounding 1975 and subsequent time periods when ther have been major adjustments in doctrine.

it was said that the stasticis from 1965-1985 do not reflect a massive defection, despite the failure of the wt's prophecy for the end of the wicked system of things by 1975. .

i see the overlapping generation as another potention issue to cause fallout.

White horse of the Apocalypse... not Jesus??

by In in

revelation talks about four horses.

the verses in nwt say a seal is opened, and four horses ride forth.

the first is on a white horse.

truthlover

Didn't Jesus explain this in Matthew prior to Revelation being penned?

The WTBTS links Matt 24:7 and REV 6:6 with the red horse, but the first white horse is not referred to by the WTBTS as Anti-Christ. why not? Jesus gave the run down in Matthew what will happen and revelation spells it out clearly for us - especially since The Lamb, Jesus is the only one to open the scroll with one of the four living creatures doing his bidding and the creature says "Come" to each of the horsemen... Does Jesus look at himself? Then gets on the horse, it does not say that, instead, there is already a rider on the horse

Matt 24:4 and 5 -- many will mislead you saying " I am the Christ"-(can definitely be the white horse in Rev 6 :2 being the antichrist.. )

Matt 24:7 -wars --(second horse fiery color-at Rev 6:4 ( slaughter) followed with famine and disease = black horse at Rev 6:5. Famine and disease usually follows all the wars being fought

So I cant and do not follow the society's reasoning on this one at all.... religions are in turmoil today -with a lot saying their way is the way to Christ and listen to them - new age groups, etc...

Anyone going to the hall agree with this logic of mine??? Just asking to see if I am off base here

TL

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What is the average cost to build a new Kingdom Hall

by jworld in

i was recently told that the average cost to build a new kingdom hall in the united states rural midwest region was $250,000.

i was shocked to say the least.

i remember when my childhood congregation built a new hall in 1989 for $60,000.

truthlover

to build a house -- cost per sq ft is about 170.00 -250.00

in my area anyway- used to be 65.00 sq ft and that only 15 yrs ago -- cost of bldg materials are exorbitant now.. but removing the cost of employees,due to the volunteers, that should drop the numbers to at least 100.00 sq ft.. say a 3000 sq ft bldg - $3 million - thats only about a 60 x50 size

someone cld check the nbrs

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Once again I say goodbye

by mouthy in

jw
friends

i find the board is getting very unfriendly of late.

used to be great to be aboard.

but the snipping that so many.

truthlover

Mouthy:

You were so happy to picket the assembly last weekend and excited that some folks listened to you.. just cause some do argue on the board, don't take it personally ... you don't know their mind set, maybe they are of the org and just trying to upset the applecart...life is like that, all you can do is try to placate some and laugh at others..

all the best and return soon

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After the victory in France, JW's take the streets in celebration.

by NomadSoul in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nunm7rzhs_o.

truthlover

I doubt it but it looks like they are having fun.... better than sitting around for 1 1/2 hours til the afternoon talks begin! Gets the adrenaline going

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To ex-elders,that are df'ed, disassociated, fadeing and a wife thats still in please answer this.

by TheLoveDoctor in

me ex elder, pioneer was very active but am trying to fade.

one elder knows how i feel and i would not talk to anyone but him.

i miss most meetings now.

truthlover

Is there only the one elder who wants to meet with her? and where? in the hall? In a closed door room -- nope! Not alone! Who knows what the point of the meeting is?

There will be 2 at least - will she feel intimidated? I think willy is right -- you are the spiritual head -- she is to defer any questions about you to you....... as you are not df'd or da'd....yet but then again, maybe they do want to talk to you and are using your wife to get to you and find out what is in your mind....

I am not an elder but as a woman I would not allow myself to be put into that position without my hubby there -- witnesses, witnesses -- some can be real p.............

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Sizemilk- Earthquake

by truthlover in

were you affected?

we heard news again yesteray there was a 7.8 off the coast - 30 miles out into the ocean.

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truthlover

Were you affected? we heard news again yesteray there was a 7.8 off the coast - 30 miles out into the ocean

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Josephus/ I am Quasi New to the Board as u can see

by truthlover in

jw
friends

while reading some excerpts from his writings, i noticed that he gave the year when seth was born at 230 years vs the 130 years mentioned in the bible.. does anyone know why this difference?

this is repeated many times when dealing with births in his antiquities.. i will not be on the board today but if anyone feels free to answer, i will be checking in later .

watching for some time and appreciate all your info.

truthlover

Leo: Thanks again for the information -- now I remember... just printed it off to re read.. I print off so much info that I cant keep it all around for seeing eyes..so I turf it .... this does come back to mind..

Thanks

Tl

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When do you think the org reached peak numbers?

by Mickey mouse in

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friends

i'm talking real numbers here, not the stuff they publish which is skewed by allowing people to count 15 minutes/both parents counting study time with children.

when did they reach their peak publishers?.

my guess would be the early 2000's.

truthlover

I copied the info at JWFacts to my files but could not get the graphs to copy - is there a way to do that?

Its very concise information -- I have been setting up a word sheet with all the info since 1920's BUT this stat report is really great! Saves a lot of time and effort...

Anyone tell me how to get the graphs please???

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To Our Canadian Neighbors

by snowbird in

jw
friends

i learned about y'all in the second grade, and fell in love with your beautiful land.. my geography book was filled with pictures of your wheat fields, lakes, rivers, and smiling people.. one of the ancestors, an aunt of hank aaron, used to regale us with wonderful stories of her visits to your country: the cleanliness, the warmth and friendliness of the people, and the lack of overt racial prejudice.. later on, i read about the underground railroad.

my heart swelled with admiration and respect as i found out how your country welcomed fugitive slaves.. my resolve is to visit y'all one of these fine days and see for myself what i've been told.

my little jw daughter and her dad have been there, and they both agree that canada is a land of freedom and opportunity.. to the canucks on this here forum, i salute you, as you only reinforce what i've been told about y'all.

truthlover

Syl: Yes you are right - Halifax is the capital of Nova Scotia -- many will remember the 9/11 scene when all plans were diverted from US airspace and landed in Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and NB...... many have great memories of the beds, meals and touring around while there even though they could not get back to their various homes in the States.. Maritimers are known for their hospitality...also PEI is the home of Anne Of Green Gables..... also too - it was the Nova Scotia fisherman who tried to rescue the plane crash victims of Flight 111 - to no avail, all died..terrible scene