Posts by truthlover

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America's Most Wanted episode... Rick McLean

by stillconcerned in

over a month ago, amw filmed several of rick mclean's victims who were victimized while he served in authority in a number of jw congregations in and around san diego, california.. .

mclean found victims thru his involvement in jw congregations, and kept many quiet for years by intimidation/ 'no one will believe you'.. .

the episode is 'in the can', and mclean, who fled when he learned he would be arrested, is on the loose.you can bet he is molesting some child presently; he is a lifetime molester.. .

truthlover

Does anyone know if this perp is still on the lam????

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todays WT study...the picture...?

by stillin in

i wish i could scan it and get your thoughts.

it was a picture of a happy group of witnesses during a meeting for field service.

there was a. comment from a local high-horse-rider about a brother in the front row in the picture being disobedient.

Maybe he has a tablet or Iphone and it cant be noticable.. I soon will - looking now - and am taking it to the hall to watch the eys and halos go up! Getting Asus Tablet transformer primce -- quad processor, should cause alittle stir but at the CA there were several folks usning the tablets to take notes.

On another not, does anyone know how many times the inference to "OBEY" was used - not as the specific word, but general wording and infusion of thought that leads to obey the fds and elders --I counted 7 in this lesson today... got a little tired of it in the paragraphs..

They also noted two examples - Abraham and Korah. They did not mention Jehu or Solomon - another two upstanding men who loved and left Jehovah!! Or for that matter Jehu who was so strong for Jehovah and killed people to show his loyalty, left jehovah. Now as we are Jehonadabs -we all know who they are, they have joined to Jehu when he was loyal - was Jehu an antitype of the FDS? If so, he left Jah, he became apostate, where does that leave the FDS and those of us who follow it today as they are always alluding to old testament bring antitypical of the new setup today.. just a thought If the FDS disloyal to Jehovah? Are we Jehonadabs disloyal to God also from following them?

Just a thought

Sometimes it is so hard to sit thru, the paragraph dealing with work, singleness was not even broght up in the answer -I think people are getting tired of it.... lets hope so --

TL

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WTS Dates of Creation of Adam

by Ding in

in "the time is at hand," (1889), russell gave the date of creation of adam as 4129 bce.. now the wts' date for the creation of adam is 4026 bce.. has anyone seen an explanation for how they arrived at these dates?

did they just pull them out of the air?

when did they change their date system and why?.

truthlover

Thanks Jeffro, thats about what I felt and your answer falls in line with that

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WTS Dates of Creation of Adam

by Ding in

in "the time is at hand," (1889), russell gave the date of creation of adam as 4129 bce.. now the wts' date for the creation of adam is 4026 bce.. has anyone seen an explanation for how they arrived at these dates?

did they just pull them out of the air?

when did they change their date system and why?.

truthlover

Blondie - when you say they calculate overlaps -- r u referring to how the bible says so and so died at 80 years of age -- seth died at say 185 years of age, they didnt die exactly on the day they were born, there must have been months not accounted for for every one mentioned in the Israelite nation and lineage down to Christ amounting to a vast amount of time if someone was 80 years plus 10 months, etc. that would be 10 months not counted in the arriving at specific dates......do I make sense?

I always wondered if that would throw the dates factor out the window - even the pivotal dates are under scrutiny i.e. 539/607.. calendars and record keeping from nation to nation were all different, apparently the Jewish calendar seems to be the better of it all... a lot of histories were based on astronomy and so on..

But the months not counted for every male kind of made me wonder how far off everything really is

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2 Day Circuit Assembly

by truthlover in

can anyone out there tell me if the final talk by the do mentioned "marrying outside of the lord"?.

i ask this as the do mentioned that if jehovah were to ask a woman, why did you marry outside, and she had no answer, he would tell her she was disobedient.

then went on to give the spiel on singleness - of course, for a woman, not for a man, who has his choice of women to pick from.....those single should pioneer... .

truthlover

Can anyone out there tell me if the final talk by the DO mentioned "marrying outside of the Lord"?

I ask this as the DO mentioned that if Jehovah were to ask a WOMAN, why did you marry outside, and she had no answer, He would tell her she was DISOBEDIENT. Then went on to give the spiel on singleness - of course, for a woman, not for a man, who has his choice of women to pick from.....those single should pioneer..

This would be a slap in the face for anyone in the audience (a lot of world there as it was sunday) who was in this situation and maybe sitting with HER hubby or vice versa...

I just wondered if it was a universal talk or specific to the area?

Thanks

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The Governing Body and the Sept 15, 2010 WT

by Ultimate Reality in

there have been a few threads on this magazine already.

but i cannot recall a wt that has so many references to the gb and its authority throughout the articles as this one.

the grip of authority and control is tightening.

truthlover

Just resurrecting this thread -- they are still pounding this thought to the pubs.. again this weeks BIBLE study last night -- the governing body of the first century!! -- well continue reading the scripture - it says that the older men, the APOSTLES AND THE CONGREGATION - not just a certain body of men called "THE GOVERNING BODY".... there is a huge difference when the congregation is also included in the making of a directive....

No where was it mentioned that the congregation made an influence on the decision made on circumcision of the gentiles, yet the bible does not lie..they just swipe the info aside and move on with their thought to keep the control.

They can't let go - they are constantly regurgitating the thought of control for their own means..

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Incredible document on the Watchtower and cognitive dissonance

by sabastious in

i recieved an awesome document in my youtube messages yesterday.

the person giving it told me it was the best description of the experience he had went through which involved entering and exiting the watchtower over the course of only a few years.. .

written by jamie boyden [<--not sabastious] sunday, 08 february 2009 14:19. .

truthlover

That summary encompasses all the feelings and emotion one goes thru when deciding to become a witness. It's only later, many years later, that the mind starts to clear and the brain starts putting the puzzle pieces together and then you start looking, then questioning, then once again, the emotions take over and you find yourself in such a quandry as to what you will do, you know you should get out, but what if... your alone now, your mate has died, your children are in, your health is not good and you will need the help that some will give within the congregation? Where do you go? Who is your friend in the world now? They are gone, long gone... government agencies?? home health care?? strangers who do not know or care for you?? At that point, you are no further ahead, now that your life is gone.. so you live a lie, your smile is pasted on, your ok, fine, nothing wrong here..... yet questioning, is this the right belief system? IS it based on spiristic foundations? What does God/Jehovah really think of me if I have misgivings and don't leave...

The buzz words, cognitive dissonance, I can't relate too - I fully know what is going on with the society, the mind boggling twisting of the truth of God's words, yet I stay..... mainly because of the above

I do want to have a peaceful, spiritual life but am I achieving it now? No - cause deep inside, I know - I know

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A week without field service makes you weak! Anybody remember that?

by Bonnie_Clyde in

i remember an assembly--maybe 30 years ago--and it was stated over and over again in one of the assembly parts.

i suppose we should avoid association with someone who hasn't been out in service for a "week" or we will also become "weak.

".

truthlover

If thats the case I am doomed....

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2011-2012 Circuit Assembly program--"Let God's Name be Sanctified"

by Lunatic Faith in

not sure if anyone has put this up yet.

i had it left in my door yesterday by the circuit and/or district overseer as my old cong.

is hosting this week.

truthlover

check msg above and.............

OH YES! March 2012 will be another special pioneering event!! It worked so well April 2011....

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2011-2012 Circuit Assembly program--"Let God's Name be Sanctified"

by Lunatic Faith in

not sure if anyone has put this up yet.

i had it left in my door yesterday by the circuit and/or district overseer as my old cong.

is hosting this week.

truthlover

facebook was handle quite well actually - surprised!! Father and daughter routine, she on with her friends and friends of friends she did not really know, father explains danger of not knowing who she ws friending and suggested she should only deal with kids/people she knew personally and de-friend those she did not.. and ot to give away personal information.. father indicated technology can be useful if care taken..

generation change hooked in with "murmuring" about changes, not agreeing with the noo lite the FDS received from the holy spirit and that mostly it is contemporaries, so no need to worry when armageddon is coming, just know that it is close since Jesus spoke those words over 2000 years ago..

Of course porn, bad associations and education got hit.. WOMEN who looked outside the cong for a mate were DISOBEDIENT... a new DO gave the talk -- and of course, NO BROTHERS do that kind of thing -- they don't have to - a 60 year old man can have his pick of the litter from 30 and up - a sister is sunk -- and lonely and taking anti depressants and told to go pioneering to solve her problems....nOT TO MENTION - what about the sisters and her non truth hubby sitting in the audience, listening???their kids who would now have a different picture of their mother or father since they did not listen to the FDS??

Was I encouraged???? NO NO NO