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  HOW MANY BEETLES WERE THERE ON NOAH'S ARK?

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  HOOBERUS,HERE HOW I DID THE MATHS.

  NOAH'S LOOD HAPPENED ABOUT 4,000 YEARS AGO.

  THERE ARE 350,000 0R ALTERNATIVELY 30 MILLION SPECIES.

  LETS SAY THERE THERE WAS 1 PAIR OF BEETLES ON NOAH'S ARK,

  DIVIDE 350,000 OR 30 MILLION BY 4000 YOU GET 87 OR 7,000 A YEAR.

  WHATEVER WAY YOU DO IT,IT CAMES UP WITH IMPLAUSIBLE NUMBERS

  First of all, no one claims anything like 30 million species of beetles, so beetle calculations based on that number (i.e. 7,000 species per year) are bogus.

  Secondly, the number 87 per year (though based on a more realistic number of beetle species), also assumes only one pair on the ark and no survivors outside the ark. If only 100 species of beetles survived outside on floats, and on the ark, then the number of species per year drops to below 1 per group. Most importantly let us also not forget that all the species need not descend directly from the original surviving pairs (and could have also have come about from speciation events happening to their descendents, and their descendants descendants, etc, etc.),
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  HOW MANY BEETLES WERE THERE ON NOAH'S ARK?

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  hooberus

  THE LATER ASSUMES 7 PAIRS OF BEETLES.WRONG AGAIN!

  Please provide your math.
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  HOW MANY BEETLES WERE THERE ON NOAH'S ARK?

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  hooberus

  SO YOU BELIEVE FROM A PAIR OF BEETLES, 7,000 SPECIES A YEAR ARE BEING PROUCED?

  Compare this with your earlier statement:

  IT THERE WERE ONLY 350,000 SPECIES AND ONLY ONE PAIR OF BEETLES,87 DIFFERENT SPECIES WOULD HAVE TO PRODUCE EVERY YEAR.
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  HOW MANY BEETLES WERE THERE ON NOAH'S ARK?

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  hooberus

  HOOBERUS,WRONG AGAIN.

  When was I wrong to begin with?
  

  I AM ASSUMING THERE ARE ONLY 350,000 SPECIES.

  Yes, and I discussed assumption calculations with that number also, (as well your earlier number of 30 million species).
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  HOW MANY BEETLES WERE THERE ON NOAH'S ARK?

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  hooberus

  IT THERE WERE ONLY 350,000 SPECIES AND ONLY ONE PAIR OF BEETLES,87 DIFFERENT SPECIES WOULD HAVE TO PRODUCE EVERY YEAR.

  Let us also not forget that 1.) all the species need not descend directly from the original pair (and could have also come about from their descendents, and their descendants descendants, etc, etc.), 2.) there could have been more than one pair to begin with. 3). bettles may not have even have been necessarily taken on the ark for survival, which would allow for possible pre-flood diversification time from many pairs.
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  HOW MANY BEETLES WERE THERE ON NOAH'S ARK?

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  hooberus

  ONE PAIR OF BEETLES WOULD HAVE HAD TO PRODUCE 7,500 SPECIES A YEAR,ASSUMING THERE ARE 30 MILLION SPECIES.

  FROM 7 PAIRS,ABOUT 1000 SPECIES A YEAR.

  DOES THIS SOUND PLAUSIBLE?

  No it doesn't sound plausible, however your calculation falsely assumes that:

  1. there must only one pair of beetles to begin with, and 2. that all the species must descend directly from the original pair (rather than also from any of their descendents, and their descendants descendants, etc, etc.), and 3. that there are 30 million species of beetles today [up by a factor of about 100 from the previous claim here that there are only about 350,000 documented species of beetles].
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  90.9% of Intelligent Design trial Judges' ruling copied from ACLU

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  http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewdb/filesdb-download.php?command=download&id=1186.

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  http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/12/study_shows_federal_judged_cop.html

  "Judge John Jones copied verbatim or virtually verbatim 90.9% of his 6,004-word section on whether intelligent design is science from the ACLU's proposed 'Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law' submitted to him nearly a month before his ruling," said Dr. John West, Vice President for Public Policy and Legal Affairs at Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture.

  http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/01/a_response_to_darwinist_defend.html
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  90.9% of Intelligent Design trial Judges' ruling copied from ACLU

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  http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewdb/filesdb-download.php?command=download&id=1186.

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  http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=1186
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  HOW MANY BEETLES WERE THERE ON NOAH'S ARK?

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  hooberus

  From a similar question:

  http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/4474/

  but do you think that he had all 350,000 documented species of beetles?

  No, because beetles and other invertebrates were not among the animals that Noah had to take, because they could survive off the Ark. Our core literature such as The Creation Answers Book explains this in ch. 13.

  Or did speciation occur after this time?

  Of course, and quicker than you think, but as shown, irrelevant to the first question. But it doesn’t look like you have anything more than an ill-informed strawman about what creationists mean by ‘kind’.
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  Society's latest stance on Evolution in Jan 1, 2008 WT (bonus quote mining)

  by marmot in

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  my parents gave me the latest "public edition" watchtower and it has 4-page festival of circular logic and hypocritical quote-mining entitled "is evolution compatible with the bible?

  the opening salvo is golden, because they go and shoot themselves in the foot with it later on: "is it possible that god used evolution to create men from beasts?

  did god direct bacteria to develop into fish and then to continue developing through reptiles and mammals, so that finally a race of apes became humans?

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  http://www.icr.org/article/3518/