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  "NO EVIDENCE" for God, and creation? Maybe there is . .

  by hooberus in

  1. watchtower
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  atheists (however one defines the term) frequently use the term "no evidence" in relation to the existence of god, any type of creation, (especially genesis creation and flood), or most any other theistic claim.

  they almost always however claim that their beliefs are "backed by evidence" ; "overwhelming evidence" etc, etc, etc, etc, repeat, etc, repeat, etc.. (their beliefs generally tend to include whatever is necessary to believe in to intellectually "explain" the world without needing god).

  is there really "no evidence" for god, and creation?

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  hooberus

  inkling, before moving on to other points what about my first question to you?

  Probability of the Origin of Life design argument:
  Fine-Tuning Design Argument:

  These arguments (if even valid) get you at BEST to a very weak form of deism.

  A "watchmaker" god.

  This of course, though possible, doesn't get us ANYWHERE, because no matter
  how vastly improbable amino acids and fine tuned forces are, a intelligent
  Watchmaker God must be far more so.

  And even if this "god" exists, it is not anything remotely like the god of
  the bible.

  So yeah, I think "no evidence" is the only fair and open minded conclusion.

  [inkling

  And why would a creator God necessarily be "far more so" improbable than say the vastly improbable origin of life from non-life, or the origin of fine-tuning by chance?
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  "NO EVIDENCE" for God, and creation? Maybe there is . .

  by hooberus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  atheists (however one defines the term) frequently use the term "no evidence" in relation to the existence of god, any type of creation, (especially genesis creation and flood), or most any other theistic claim.

  they almost always however claim that their beliefs are "backed by evidence" ; "overwhelming evidence" etc, etc, etc, etc, repeat, etc, repeat, etc.. (their beliefs generally tend to include whatever is necessary to believe in to intellectually "explain" the world without needing god).

  is there really "no evidence" for god, and creation?

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  hooberus

  Probability of the Origin of Life design argument:
  Fine-Tuning Design Argument:

  These arguments (if even valid) get you at BEST to a very weak form of deism.

  A "watchmaker" god.

  This of course, though possible, doesn't get us ANYWHERE, because no matter
  how vastly improbable amino acids and fine tuned forces are, a intelligent
  Watchmaker God must be far more so.

  And even if this "god" exists, it is not anything remotely like the god of
  the bible.

  So yeah, I think "no evidence" is the only fair and open minded conclusion.

  [inkling

  And why would a creator God necessarily be "far more so" improbable than say the vastly improbable origin of life from non-life, or the origin of fine-tuning by chance? The "God Delusion" book claims to show this, yet it has to resort to the bogus reasoning of equating improbability of coming about by pure chance, with improbability of existence. (Such reasoning would only be valid against the existence of any god believed to have come about by chance -which of course is a "god" that virtually no competent theologian believes in). In fact using this same "God Delusion style" reasoning (i.e. improbabilty of coming about by pure chance = improbability of existence) Richard Dawkins himself "almost certainly does not exist". (This is because he would be far more improbable by chance then his books which are vastly improable by chance, hense using the same "logic" Dawkins "almost certainly does not exist").
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  "NO EVIDENCE" for God, and creation? Maybe there is . .

  by hooberus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  atheists (however one defines the term) frequently use the term "no evidence" in relation to the existence of god, any type of creation, (especially genesis creation and flood), or most any other theistic claim.

  they almost always however claim that their beliefs are "backed by evidence" ; "overwhelming evidence" etc, etc, etc, etc, repeat, etc, repeat, etc.. (their beliefs generally tend to include whatever is necessary to believe in to intellectually "explain" the world without needing god).

  is there really "no evidence" for god, and creation?

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  hooberus

  http://www.icr.org/article/4295/

  Bernard Carr, cosmologist at Queen Mary University of London, told Discover, “If there is only one universe, you might have to have a fine-tuner. If you don’t want God, you’d better have a multiverse.” 1

  For reference with first post on this thread.
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  Evidence for evolution, Installment 1: Endogenous retroviral sequences

  by seattleniceguy in

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  because i need to continue doing research on this topic, and it always helps me assimilate things if i write them up or otherwise explain them to others, and because i thought others here might be interested, i've decided to start a series.

  in each installment, i'll present one small piece of evidence for evolution.

  hopefully, some of the more knowledgeable people here will chime in with related evidence.

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  hooberus

  Large scale function for ‘endogenous retroviruses’

  http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/6146/
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  "Life Begins at Rape"- Palin Policy

  by SixofNine in

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  i suppose that when most of us who are fortunate not to have been the victim of sexual assault hear the word "rape kit", we tend to think of it specifically in terms of forensic analysis and examination--dna collection, trauma, that whole sort of thing.

  but rape kits also contain...emergency contraception.. .

  to quote from an alaska blogger who has provided a firsthand account of the aftermath of a sexual assault in wasilla: .

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  I think the bottom line, is that it's up to the woman to decide. I really doubt that very few women who get an abortion, take the decision lightly.

  This is similar to what Obama said at the Saddleback forum.

  And I would like to add that I really doubt that very few muslim men who perform honor killings, "take the decision lightly" either. -Yet no one accepts that as any sort of justification for legalized muslim child killing.
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  "Life Begins at Rape"- Palin Policy

  by SixofNine in

  1. jw
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  i suppose that when most of us who are fortunate not to have been the victim of sexual assault hear the word "rape kit", we tend to think of it specifically in terms of forensic analysis and examination--dna collection, trauma, that whole sort of thing.

  but rape kits also contain...emergency contraception.. .

  to quote from an alaska blogger who has provided a firsthand account of the aftermath of a sexual assault in wasilla: .

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  hooberus

  I think the bottom line, is that it's up to the woman to decide. I really doubt that very few women who get an abortion, take the decision lightly.

  This is similar to what Obama said at the Saddleback forum.

  And I would like to add that I really doubt that very few muslim men who perform honor killings, "take the decision lightly" either.
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  "Life Begins at Rape"- Palin Policy

  by SixofNine in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i suppose that when most of us who are fortunate not to have been the victim of sexual assault hear the word "rape kit", we tend to think of it specifically in terms of forensic analysis and examination--dna collection, trauma, that whole sort of thing.

  but rape kits also contain...emergency contraception.. .

  to quote from an alaska blogger who has provided a firsthand account of the aftermath of a sexual assault in wasilla: .

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  hooberus

  edited to: Well he certainly has actively opposed legislation intended to grant certain rights to all "born alive" infants. And the unborn have no rights, even to not be partially birthed and brain sucked.
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  "Life Begins at Rape"- Palin Policy

  by SixofNine in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i suppose that when most of us who are fortunate not to have been the victim of sexual assault hear the word "rape kit", we tend to think of it specifically in terms of forensic analysis and examination--dna collection, trauma, that whole sort of thing.

  but rape kits also contain...emergency contraception.. .

  to quote from an alaska blogger who has provided a firsthand account of the aftermath of a sexual assault in wasilla: .

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  hooberus

  Your posting from the NRTLA, is ignored Hooberus, and it honestly begs the question as to your intentions and total lack of objectivity...
  
  I've asked for a objective source and you've given me the interpretation of Illinois law from the national right to life web site... come on man, get real and show me that you have the courage to see through your blindness.
  
  I want you, to show me a quote from an objective source that says Obama wanted to support babies dieing outside the mother's womb.

  Well he certainly has actively opposed legislation intended to grant certain rights to "born alive" infants. And the unborn have no rights, even to not be partially birthed and brain sucked.
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  "Life Begins at Rape"- Palin Policy

  by SixofNine in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i suppose that when most of us who are fortunate not to have been the victim of sexual assault hear the word "rape kit", we tend to think of it specifically in terms of forensic analysis and examination--dna collection, trauma, that whole sort of thing.

  but rape kits also contain...emergency contraception.. .

  to quote from an alaska blogger who has provided a firsthand account of the aftermath of a sexual assault in wasilla: .

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  hooberus

  Indeed "the first thing" Obama says he will do, - sign the so called "Freedom of Choice Act" will likely overturn even the ban on Partial Birth Abortion.

  http://lauraetch.googlepages.com/barackobamabeforeplannedparenthoodaction

  Barack Obama: Well, the first thing I’d do as president is, is sign the Freedom of Choice Act. [Applause.] That’s the first thing that I’d do. Um, but the, okay, but, but your question about the federal courts is absolutely on target. I taught Constitutional Law for ten years and I have to say after reading this latest decision and the series of decisions that the Supreme Court has been putting forward that I find it baffling. Transcribed by Laura Echevarria
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  "Life Begins at Rape"- Palin Policy

  by SixofNine in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i suppose that when most of us who are fortunate not to have been the victim of sexual assault hear the word "rape kit", we tend to think of it specifically in terms of forensic analysis and examination--dna collection, trauma, that whole sort of thing.

  but rape kits also contain...emergency contraception.. .

  to quote from an alaska blogger who has provided a firsthand account of the aftermath of a sexual assault in wasilla: .

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  hooberus

  Hooberus, please note my edit at the end. When I saw this between 13 and 15 years ago, they were delivering head first as described to congress.

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  I saw it after I posted. Anyway the link that I posted shows the PBA procudure. (Which Obama thinks should be legal).